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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 23:29    Post subject: Fallout 3 Map (Spoiler!) Reply with quote





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 23:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thanks for posting those screen-grabs, awesome !
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The location northwest of Vault 101 and Springvale is Arefu.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice pics price, I took a stab at turning that into a map for Google Earth. I just uploaded a screenshot from GE to the Fan Art gallery.

It's rough, but I'll take another stab at it later, so I can add it to my Fallout Atlas.

Springvale appears not to be a real-life town, but a street by that name is in the Virginia suburb of Great Falls.

If you have GE, copy the following into notepad, and save it as "Fallout3.kml" or something.

Edit: If you tried the .kml code within 10 minutes of when I posted, sorry. I forgot to disable html at first.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe ya it has very bad quality, but its hard to snap it from an flash video.
1. Bad quality
2. the video is moving, so its hard.
Some of the other marks i cant read in the video but there is something like (ya in your google file:)areful,
some of them very hard to read:
Farregal West Metro Station(?), depark west(?,)
Jefferson Monorail(?)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some of the other marks i cant read in the video but there is something like (ya in your google file:)areful,
some of them very hard to read:
Farregal West Metro Station(?), depark west(?,)
Jefferson Monorail(?)


It's Arefu (I already said so a few posts ago), Farragut West Metro Station, Dupont West and Jefferson Memorial (the latter three are real-world locations). He also hovers over GNR Building Plaza. The location near Dupont West is probably Dupont East. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you ausir, i hope its right.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 14:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for Dupont East, I meant the one closer to Dupont West, not the one you marked. There are two other squares very close to each other and to Dupont West (maybe Dupont East and Dupont South?).

GNR is probably Galaxy News Radio. The square just north of the GNR building plaza is probably the GNR tower itself.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 15:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arefu was consistently spelled Arafu in one preview (PC Gamer), is that incorrect?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 18:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vault Maker's Google Map:


I wonder if Germantown is in the same location as the real town?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 20:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Per wrote:
Arefu was consistently spelled Arafu in one preview (PC Gamer), is that incorrect?


Yes, the correct spelling is Arefu. And yeah, one would think that Germantown is the same as the real world one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool. Post maps with locations on them as available, and I'll plug them into GE. I'll add these over the weekend.

I'm moving us along toward 2077 by exploiting the personal conveyance economy (via work), so I'm not keeping up with most of the F3 coverage. I'll dig into The Vault more, now that I see location info is up.

Adding F3 means I can procrastinate on mapping Tactics (sorry Atomic Avatar...progress is slow). Whatever else we say about Tactics, the worldmap...well:

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Edit: I don't see Dupont on The Vault yet. Any idea what it is? The closest thing in GE is the Dupont Continence and Urology Institute or something. I don't want to explore a post-apocalyptic urology institute.

Farragut (named after the Admiral?) may be the Naval Surface Warfare Center southwest of Bethesda. GNR looks like it's near the National Institutes of Health campus.

Incidentally, the worldmap may be tilted 30 degrees or so clockwise, so my previous locations will need some edits (maybe 3 miles south-southeast).
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dupont is most likely Dupont Circle.

Farragut West is a DC metro station.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ausir wrote:
Dupont is most likely Dupont Circle.

Farragut West is a DC metro station.


Hopefully those aren't the actual game locations though. The distance from Jefferson Memorial to Dupont Circle is 1.9 miles (3 km). That would make the whole annotated map Price put up less than 10 miles/16 km across. In FO a single worldmap square was about 13 miles.

I know FO3 covers a small area, but that's like packing a whole game's worth of places into an area of...Klamath, minus Toxic Caves, Brahmin Pastures, Crashed Vertibird, and Whiskey Bob's still. That's just crazy talk. It can't be so tiny. Please say I'm right?

I'm using the big black squiggle as the Potomac River, which makes Price's map about 35 miles across. That's about 9 Fallout grid squares, so...like Vault City, Gecko, and Vault Village. Still small, but at least it would take a couple of days to walk across.

Maybe they used some Metro station names to inspire other things. Sort of like Neverwhere in reverse.

Okay, less talk and more mapping.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about the real-world distance from Jefferson Memorial and Farragut West station? Dupont might not be the actual Dupont Circle, but Jefferson Memorial and Farragut West definitely are, so you could check other distances based on that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cool, I like maps.

Wonder what they'll do with Arlington, if it's in the game at all that is.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still putting this together, but it's looking like the scale is close to the smaller of the two I described. The last stage of denial was knowing Ausir was right (though it was the least painful).

Here's an attempt to sum up what we know of locations as of now. Please post corrections if you have them.

Known:
Arefu
Dukov's Place
DuPont West
Farragut West
GNR Building Plaza
Jefferson Memorial
Megaton
Minefield
Museum of Technology
Rivet City
Springvale
Super-Duper Mart
The Washington Monument
Vault 101

Good guesses:
Citadel (the small ring across the river from Jefferson Memorial should be the Pentagon)
DuPont East (assumed to be the square southeast of DuPont West)
GNR Tower (assumed to be the location north of GNR Building Plaza)

Unknown (believed in the game, but not confirmed where):
Big Town
Capitol
Germantown
Paradise Falls
Tenpenny Towers

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Now as to the maps, including the 1up footage, that leaves a total of 6 location boxes that are Unidentified (besides the two assumed above for DuPont East and GNR Tower):
1: almost straight to the right of Minefield, near the right map edge
2: just below and slightly left of GNR Plaza
3: near the lower map edge, almost straight down from Vault 101
4 and 5: close together, left of #3
6: above and left from #4 and #5.

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The Vault notes Big Town as west of Megaton, so that may be Unidentifed #6.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Germantown is probably in the real-world location of Germantown, Maryland.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just uploaded:

    Fallout 3 gazetteer v.1 for Fallout Atlas - a 12 KB download, only with Fallout 3. Edit: it's here.

    Fallout Atlas v. 2 - a 12.4 MB download. Added FO 3, some FOT locations, and fixed transparency on the FO 1 and 2 worldmap image overlays. The last seemed to require saving as .png format, which is why the total file went from 1.9 MB to over 12.

    Also added 4 screenshots to the Fan Art gallery. One shows the whole US, the other 3 show just the FO 3 area.


It looks like the game map covers an area about 15-16 miles across. My FO 3 map is not pretty (yet). It's a bit like FOT: you can spot features that look like real-life stuff (mostly the course of the river), but you can't drop the map in and have it line up with everything. I ended up aligning on Arefu and Rivet City, and letting the rest fall where it may.

I noticed that in the Gamespot film that Price grabbed his screens from, Todd said that they were using an even smaller area at first, but later decided to stretch things out a bit. Map-wise, I wonder if they used a real map up to that point, then just stretched the worldmap out in Photoshop.

This is also a bit reminiscent of FO 1 and 2, where there are geographic inconsistencies in the games that are likely remnants of shifting locations on the worldmaps late in development.

You'll find more comments from me sprinkled around in the entries once you open it in the Google Earth client.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 17:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

The screen pics look great! I do not see the v 2.0 atlas in the downloads area yet though. Hopefully it wil go in soon. The FO3 stuff looks great Vault Maker! Thanks for all the effort!
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