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    Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

    Omar Boulon, editor at Canard PC, shared his first impressions on the game. The full review will come out at the beginning of November and will be much more detailed, but it's still a very interesting read, especially given the mag's not enthusiastic attitude towards Fallout 3.
    My King is back and he's guiding my life.

    Of course, it still suffers from Bethesda's crappy UI (with an upgrade to NPC managing, but shortcuts for the minimap or food, drugs would have been nice), and there are some serious and incomprehensible drops from 120 to 20 FPS, but, seriously, who gives a fuck?

    Because if you're not too tight-assed and have accepted the first-person view (and realtime/FPS/VATS crappy slowmo), if you just embrace what Fallout's real soul is - a meticulous study of a humanity in crisis served by surprising situations, clever dialogue and well-thought role-playing games mechanics - then we're as close to a Fallout 3 as we could be.

    The overall tone, even with Wild Wasteland, reminds more of Fallout 1 than Fallout 2. It's umbelievably dark. It's not desperate, but if you're really trying to screw everything and everyone, it could be..

    It's quite a political game, it's mainly focused on one thing, organization of small human groups, and how their opinions and ideologies clash, are crushed or end up rotting and losing what used to be important, leaving only groups of devastated individuals.

    Everyone has something to say.
    Everyone has a story.

    There's a geography, an economy, and by chatting with people, gathering information, you begin to see how everything is linked: Production means, military stakes, every politic will.

    Places are not thrown randomly on the map : they're taken from history (pre-war period), geography (natural resources, barriers, natural strongholds), from both (no man's land lines between factions) or justified by necessity. (Slums placed in concentric circles around New Vegas' Strip).

    In fact, it seems so natural than after seven or eight hours, I nearly had a panic attack because of the incredible size of the game world, its density and details.
    It may not actually be bigger than Bethesda's Fallout, but it's so well-build, and natural, than it feels ten thousands times bigger.

    The thing is, there's no fucking travels in shitty subway corridors, no more unclimbable pile of trash, and nearly no caves only there to kill the same monsters ten times (I saw a cavern by monster race always ended by a Legendary whatsisname, especially the Legendary Deathclaw from which a keep a fond memory, kisses to you if you read me. Moreover, they always have a nice gift awarding your adventurer skills).
    On the other hand, you have some plateaux or canyons accessible by not so obvious paths, offering mind-blowing possibilities, and oftenly a town, an original place to explore, or high-level equipment.

    All characters, NPCs or companions, are believable and well-rounded.
    Very few characters or all white or all black. By talking with them, you understand their motives, their positions and their actions.
    The most despicable ones are the most memorable : Vulves Inculta, the Desert Fox, Caesar's Lieutenant, is fascinating when he explains the precept which rules his life, and those of his slaves and troops.
    A walking nightmare in the name of morality...

    The quests, living up to Fallout's standards, are multi-layered, and can be resolved by different means. Well, except all the "Kill those beasts here, here and there" we get when we enter some hideout without being known or recognized. And thank god, it's frankly better than the "Oh, hello, we never met, you may occasionnaly rape children with legs torn from cute puppies, but you like the kind of guy I need to sky on this bad guy in a fancy suit who wants to blow up our town".

    Besides, you can use enemy clothes as disguise to accomplish quests on their territory, even when in war against them. But some individuals (sentinels, scouts, spies) can spot you, blackmail you, sell you out or lie and protect you if you're talented enough. I always have a khan outfit on me, or a load of drugs to pass as a dealer.
    But don't think you can work with everyone, the most interesting quests need you to be deep into a faction and, of course, to share their enemies.
    You can work for some rivals though, if you're careful and organized... To prove an agreement between two factions to crush physically and economically their rivals, I had to work for them and stop just before acting effectively in order to gather enough proof.

    The game is entirely buit upon the Holy Canon of Fallout : you won't find any reference to the bethesdian blasphemy and every one has a story, a parent or anything related to the Hub, Redding, Modoc or Reno. There even is some old friends or their descendants.

    Everything is subtile, elegant and well written.
    If a quest seems rubbish, you may have missed a part of it... It happened to me more than once.
    You kill an endless stream of monsters, learn rubbish information, do your report and leave, disappointed.
    But there is this door over there, you can't open it, because you'd need 75% in Lockpick and it's only the beginning... You'll come back later.
    You come back, and blam! You had missed a third of the quest, and now it shows its real value and originality.

    Last thing : combat seems actually good. It's not such a pain in the ass anymore. Big and bad monsters are rare and really hard to beat.
    Playing in first person with the Iron Sight is nice.
    The main problems with VATS are corrected, it's finally possible to shoot from afar if you're equipped and leveled enough, but melee still is very efficient.
    And with companions, it's getting fun.

    An example : I have with me a small robot which spot enemies from a distance and warn me. But I also have a friend with a sniper rifle shooting targets I choose with my goggles or the Iron Sight.
    One I bought the "Anti Material Rifle" and gave it to my sniper buddy, the Bozar's cousin, we found a nice tactic : the robot spot an enemy, I mark the target, the camping coward kills it.
    Another one, I leave them behind, the sniper shoots at will, and I slow the big ones with my assault rifle or some melee ass-kicking. (melee fighters is a viable choice and interesting to make)

    So it seems relatively tactic. And it's one amongts many... Other NPCs, other tactics. There's a girl who can hit unbelievably hard bare-handed, and there are a bunch of non-lethal weapons (melee, flashballs) and combat is a little bit more dynamic, they may have added some animation too.

    And to conclude:
    It's so good I'm afraid to finish it, as I was for Fallout 1 and 2...
    Well, when it happens, I'll start again.

    PS: No crashes for me after 45 hours, and some very rare script bugs. (one which spoiled a minor quest about cows slaughtered with a gatling) PC Version. Of course.
    Thanks to Linvite for spotting this and Flyn for the English translation!
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    Re: Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by WorstUsernameEver
    I always have a khan outfit on me, or a load of drugs to pass as a dealer.
    Wow, you can really do that? Have drugs on you and act as a dealer to blend in a faction ? If that's true then it's incredible! Way to go.

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    Re: Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by WorstUsernameEver
    And to conclude:
    It's so good I'm afraid to finish it, as I was for Fallout 1 and 2...
    Well, when it happens, I'll start again.
    I know exactly how he feels. I've deliberately stretched out games to keep the experience alive. However, the feeling I'm getting is that won't be necessary as I will be anxious to see what 'Scenario B/C/D' offer.

    So many fantastic things to read in that review. Thank you for the post & the translation.

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    Because if you're not too tight-assed and have accepted the first-person view (and realtime/FPS/VATS crappy slowmo)
    Not a sentence I expected from Canard PC...

    They should know better.

    That said, I'm tempted to give it a spin afterall... Was not really interested in it all anymore, but now I'm somewhat on the fence after reading that.
    Quote Originally Posted by G.K. Chesterton (on the agressiveness of Fallout fans?)
    "Reason is always a kind of brute force; those who appeal to the head rather than the heart, however pallid and polite, are necessarily men of violence. We speak of touching a man's heart, but we can do nothing to his head but hit it."

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    That was really great read. Made me more hyped about the game than all of Beth's marketing machine and all other reviews combined.

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    Anyone notice how these impressions are actually relevant to things that RPG fans are interested in, like a consistent universe, good writing, choice and consequence, and balanced mechanics, instead of things like "the combat is more fun and the graphics are nice"? We need more people in games journalism who are really willing to interrogate games in detail rather than just give vague impressions and generalisations.

    Bah, stupid Amazon, seems I won't get my copy until next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_cz
    That was really great read. Made me more hyped about the game than all of Beth's marketing machine and all other reviews combined.
    You forget it's a translation made by a forum poster; it's readable, but the meaning of some of the translated words/expressions is not entirely accurate. And tight-ass is an instance of such inaccuracies. It's more like a colorful version of "Unyielding".


    We need more people in games journalism who are really willing to interrogate games in detail rather than just give vague impressions and generalisations.
    Well, the feeling I've always had about CanardPC is that its target audience are people who feel that way; usually old-school gamers, but not exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea
    Anyone notice how these impressions are actually relevant to things that RPG fans are interested in, like a consistent universe, good writing, choice and consequence, and balanced mechanics, instead of things like "the combat is more fun and the graphics are nice"? We need more people in games journalism who are really willing to interrogate games in detail rather than just give vague impressions and generalisations.

    Bah, stupid Amazon, seems I won't get my copy until next week.
    Sorry to hear that. I get me copy tonight. I was going to wait until Friday night and jump into it head first throughout the weekend but my impulsiveness has gotten the better of me. Too many positive things written exactly the way I was hoping to hear them.

    I liked the IGN UK review, too. He (edit: actually a she - my sexism got the better of me too.) made some great points and was careful to not reveal anything but her feelings while playing the game. The world 'makes sense' this time is what I keep reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea
    Anyone notice how these impressions are actually relevant to things that RPG fans are interested in, like a consistent universe, good writing, choice and consequence, and balanced mechanics, instead of things like "the combat is more fun and the graphics are nice"? We need more people in games journalism who are really willing to interrogate games in detail rather than just give vague impressions and generalisations.
    Exactly

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    IGN was actually a "She".

    Women like Fallout too

    Anyway, really great. That also makes hope for a great/coherent backstory of Cesars Legion.

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    IGN UK review surprised me, I expected classic shitty marketing review and got decent read instead.

    Still, I am most curious about two reviews:

    1) NMA, written by Vince
    2) Games.cz, written by Dan Vávra (lead designer/writer of Mafia 1 and 2 who hated story and quests in FO3)


    Of course, by the time they come out, I will be probably playing it myself

    At least I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sea
    Anyone notice how these impressions are actually relevant to things that RPG fans are interested in, like a consistent universe, good writing, choice and consequence, and balanced mechanics, instead of things like "the combat is more fun and the graphics are nice"? We need more people in games journalism who are really willing to interrogate games in detail rather than just give vague impressions and generalisations.

    Bah, stupid Amazon, seems I won't get my copy until next week.
    I know your pain. Pre-ordered it at Amazon, and it's still listed as "Unsent" even though they should have sent it in time for its release date. Cheeky bastards as they are they simply removed the release date that was set before I placed my pre-order (Uk uncut version from amazon.de). Given that it takes around 3 days for packages to ship from Germany to Austria, I won't get it this week if they won't ship it tomorrow morning.

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    Re: Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar Boulon, editor at Canard PC
    The overall tone, even with Wild Wasteland, reminds more of Fallout 1 than Fallout 2.
    He didn't reach the city of New Vegas, did he? Because, judging by all those images and video previews, I seriously doubt that it reminds more of FO1 than FO2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omar Boulon, editor at Canard PC
    It's quite a political game, it's mainly focused on one thing, organization of small human groups, and how their opinions and ideologies clash
    And this is another thing that have more in common with FO2 than FO1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagren
    I know your pain. Pre-ordered it at Amazon, and it's still listed as "Unsent" even though they should have sent it in time for its release date. Cheeky bastards as they are they simply removed the release date that was set before I placed my pre-order (Uk uncut version from amazon.de). Given that it takes around 3 days for packages to ship from Germany to Austria, I won't get it this week if they won't ship it tomorrow morning.
    Despite it supposedly being out now, it's listed as shipping on the 22nd and apparently it won't arrive until the 26th-28th. Interesting to know that it's not just in Canada that they're having trouble getting it to people on time. I imagine it's a case where US availability is good but then everyone else has to wait for their shipments to arrive. Has bit me in the ass on more than a few occasions.

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    Re: Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by WorstUsernameEver
    I always have a khan outfit on me, or a load of drugs to pass as a dealer.
    Carrying a load of drugs to pass as a dealer works? OK, that's it. I am buying this game. :D

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    Re: Fallout: New Vegas Canard PC first impressions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omar Boulon, editor at Canard PC
    The overall tone, even with Wild Wasteland, reminds more of Fallout 1 than Fallout 2.
    He didn't reach the city of New Vegas, did he? Because, judging by all those images and video previews, I seriously doubt that it reminds more of FO1 than FO2.
    He said "45 hours" at the end of his article. I assume he's at least 1/2-way done and in Vegas proper, especially since he is able to disguise as a Khan member, doing Khan member things (which are done in Vegas).

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    Quote Originally Posted by C2B
    IGN was actually a "She".

    Women like Fallout too

    Anyway, really great. That also makes hope for a great/coherent backstory of Cesars Legion.
    Whoops. I didn't even read the name.

    Edited my post.

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    reading the article I go hallelujah! Ive been waiting for this since the day I heard fallout 3 was coming... Now with obsidian, its finally there.
    A modern 21 th century electronic novel, for me to explore... taste the fantastic atmosphere of it... the Cristal-clear vision of screen storytelling... ah!

    Also I like to say that the translation is more than sufficient and that the original writer used a very colorful language

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    This anticipation kills me. All my thoughts are occupied completely with this game. And I'm not into video games at all. That's just how I love Fallout. 2 more days, arghh. Got time to play part 1 & 2 though.
    Too many people are thinking of security instead of opportunity. They seem to be more afraid of life than death.
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    I actually wanted to replay Fallout 1 and 2 (that one with RP), I installed them, started playing FO1 for the 12th time (got to Junktown), and then realized I would not be able to finish them in time for NV..so I will not play them : ).But when I replay NV for second time, I will play them before that.Very curious about RP especially.

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