Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: Torment interview on Dagon's Lair

  1. #1
    Administrator Brother None's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Leiden, the Netherlands
    Posts
    37,284
    Total Downloaded
    0

    Torment interview on Dagon's Lair

    Dagon's lair offers a new Torment: Tides of Numenera interview in both French and English with Brian Fargo, Colin McComb and Kevin Saunders. It covers a lot of familiar ground but also reveals some new names involved, including Aaron Meyers, one of Planescape: Torment's artists who also worked on Icewind Dale I & II, KotOR II and Neverwinter Nights 2.

    Brian Fargo talks about the team of concept artists including Andrée Wallin, Dana Knutson, Nils Hamm and Chang Yuan. Wallin we know from his work on Wasteland 2, more of his art can be found here. Knutson is a huge name in Planescape history, instrumental in developing the setting with Zeb Cook and responsible for the creation of the Lady of Pain, see more of his work here. Nils Hamm is an experienced artist who provided a lot of Magic the Gathering art, see some of his work here. Chang Yuang did the dog and rail thug art we've seen, more of his art here.

    On to the interview.
    You already said you will be working with Monte Cook and Numenera. Numenera is a completely different setting, as it is set in a distant future. How will you adapt the Torment IP to this setting ? Will you only use Numenera’s rules or are you going to adapt the Torment « philosophy » to the Numenera overall setting ?

    (Colin)
    The way we see it, Torment is a specific thematic story style, not necessarily tied to a particular setting. It is an intensely personal story, not an epic – but every story feels like an epic to the person living it, and we will bring a story of struggle, tragedy, and potential redemption. The Numenera setting is a natural, perhaps even inevitable choice for the kind of story we want to tell here, focusing as it does on mystery, abandonment, and secrets that may never be revealed.

    We will be adapting Numenera’s rules for the game–Monte has created a fantastic tabletop setting, and we plan to make use of his work as the basis for our game. However, we have story elements that we need to quantify and explore that Monte (rightly) didn’t build into his system that are specific to Torment.

    What about the people in charge of the scenario ? Are the « chosen ones » selected ? Will be Chris Avellone be related in any way in your project ? Could you talk a bit about the overall scenario/story of the game ?

    (Brian)
    Colin McComb is the creative lead, with his experience in world-building and fiction writing as the cornerstone of the story and thematic elements. He worked on both developing the Planescape setting and as a designer on Planescape: Torment. Torment’s project director is Kevin Saunders, who was the lead designer and producer for Mask of the Betrayer, which some of the hardcore RPG fans feel was the game closest to PS:T yet. We have several great concept artists involved, including Nils Hamm, Andree Wallin, Chang Yuan, and Dana Knutson, who was the primary concept artist of the Planescape setting. Mark Morgan is creating the game’s soundtrack – he’s already created a piece for Torment and completely nailed it. A lot of great talent is involved.

    Chris Avellone won’t be working on the project, but is very supportive of what we’re doing. He also referred both Colin and Kevin to me, so in that way he helped Torment form.

    We will be sharing more details on the story soon but it is a bit too early.

  2. #2
    I should set a custom title Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Ukraine/Kiev
    Posts
    456
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Seems that WoC made the original Torment license available now, lol.

  3. #3
    Banned Still Mildly Glowing
    Felipefpl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Brazil
    Posts
    289
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Bewitched
    Seems that WoC made the original Torment license available now, lol.
    where you saw this?
    Core i7 Celeron Sandy Bridge G460 1.8 Ghz - 4 GB RAM - Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Intel HD Graphics 2000 Onboard


  4. #4
    Administrator Brother None's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Leiden, the Netherlands
    Posts
    37,284
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Felipefpl
    Quote Originally Posted by Bewitched
    Seems that WoC made the original Torment license available now, lol.
    where you saw this?
    Here. Doesn't really matter anymore at this point though.

  5. #5
    I've been around First time out of the vault

    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    32
    Total Downloaded
    0
    For me P:T wasn't just about moral conflicts, story and philosophical questions, but the setting. Although i have no doubt T2 will be an interesting game, it'll be an entirely different game without the planescape rules. Any RPG with a "specific thematic story style, not necessarily tied to a particular setting. With a intensely personal story of struggle, tragedy, and potential redemption" doesn't make a P:T. Neither with the Numenera, Fallout or shadowrun settings. But that's my opinion

  6. #6
    Banned Still Mildly Glowing
    Felipefpl's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Brazil
    Posts
    289
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Doesn't really matter anymore at this point though.
    i disagree, this could mean Obsidian probably will get Planescape again since Inxile is with numenera now.
    Core i7 Celeron Sandy Bridge G460 1.8 Ghz - 4 GB RAM - Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Intel HD Graphics 2000 Onboard


  7. #7
    Insert Awesome Title Here Vault Senior Citizen

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Necropolis
    Posts
    1,128
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by lazlolazlo
    Any RPG with a "specific thematic story style, not necessarily tied to a particular setting. With a intensely personal story of struggle, tragedy, and potential redemption" doesn't make a P:T
    Sure, but they're not making a Planescape: Torment 2. In fact, Planescape isn't even part of the title. That kind of makes it obvious that the Planescape setting isn't part of the game. Retaining just the Torment part is to indicate the similar theme and style of the games. It all seems fine to me, I don't get all the fuss about it.

    Obviously, you don't have to like it, especially if your enjoyment of P:T revolved exclusively around the Planescape setting. But I seriously just don't get all the huff and puff about using the Torment name in a different setting.
    "Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen."
    - Ambrose Bierce

  8. #8
    I should set a custom title Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    367
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuu
    Obviously, you don't have to like it, especially if your enjoyment of P:T revolved exclusively around the Planescape setting. But I seriously just don't get all the huff and puff about using the Torment name in a different setting.
    I think they are overdoing it by putting Torment in the name. I'd say the same thing if Troika had called their first game Arcanum: Fallout. And in this case they are missing the most important creative force behind Torment, which makes it even stranger than that example.

    But it's just nitpicking. Hopefully they can put together a good story.

  9. #9
    I should set a custom title Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Ukraine/Kiev
    Posts
    456
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Just in case:


  10. #10
    Insert Awesome Title Here Vault Senior Citizen

    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Necropolis
    Posts
    1,128
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysus
    I think they are overdoing it by putting Torment in the name. I'd say the same thing if Troika had called their first game Arcanum: Fallout.
    So what do you think of Squaresoft calling a game Final Fantasy 7 when it had nothing to do with Final Fantasys 1-6 (all of which were similarly unrelated to each other) except sharing some stylistic and thematic elements (and perhaps some mechanics)?

    Disclaimer: feelings about the Final Fantasy series, a particular game in that series, Square-Enix, or JRPGs in general are not pertinent to this question.
    "Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen."
    - Ambrose Bierce

  11. #11
    I've been around First time out of the vault

    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    32
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I doubt Fargo planned or even thought of using the Numenera setting from the very start. It's more likely it was thought out of as a plan B, since getting the Planescape rules from WotC turned out to be a big NO at the time being. That doesn't mean i dislike the idea of Torment, or hoping it will fail. I very much look forward to this game.

    Torment might be a good game. Heck, it might even surpass P:T. But it won't however be a true sequel in my book since the original is very much tied the Planescape universe. Neither a fantastic story, great atmosphere or real consequences or choices, both moral and philosophical will change that.

    I understand what Colin is saying, but i just don't share his point of view.

    Your last argument isn't valid, since Squaresoft intentionally wanted the sequals of Final Fantasy to have a different story in a different universe from the very beginning. Fargo claimed that WotC wasn't interested in letting him use the Plancescape setting or perhaps he couldn't afford it?

  12. #12
    Administrator Brother None's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Leiden, the Netherlands
    Posts
    37,284
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by lazlolazlo
    Torment might be a good game. Heck, it might even surpass P:T. But it won't however be a true sequel in my book since the original is very much tied the Planescape universe. Neither a fantastic story, great atmosphere or real consequences or choices, both moral and philosophical will change that.

    I understand what Colin is saying, but i just don't share his point of view.
    I'm not sure you disagree with him. He nor inXile have ever called it a sequel, because it's not. It's a thematic successor. If that is enough to be worthy of the name is one matter, but a sequel it has never claimed to be.

  13. #13
    I've been around First time out of the vault

    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Posts
    32
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Brother None
    Quote Originally Posted by lazlolazlo
    Torment might be a good game. Heck, it might even surpass P:T. But it won't however be a true sequel in my book since the original is very much tied the Planescape universe. Neither a fantastic story, great atmosphere or real consequences or choices, both moral and philosophical will change that.

    I understand what Colin is saying, but i just don't share his point of view.
    I'm not sure you disagree with him. He nor inXile have ever called it a sequel, because it's not. It's a thematic successor. If that is enough to be worthy of the name is one matter, but a sequel it has never claimed to be.
    Thanks for clarifying that for me. I was under the impression that it was a sequal, although using an entirely different setting. This raises another question however, why use the name Torment? To attract RPG gamers or/and hyping the game?

  14. #14
    Modder Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    .Pixote.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    4,354
    Total Downloaded
    0
    The name of the game isn't critical, it will be the game play, story and combat, if they get all that right they can call it "big shit" for all I care.

    Fargo is just using the "Torment" tag as a clever lure to catch the attention of the old school fan boys, and it's worked, otherwise we wouldn't be writing in this thread.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions