/pol/shit, Or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the shitposting

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Hassknecht, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Still Mildly Glowing

    Nov 28, 2015
    I've seen lots of larpers online who have no self awareness.

    1: I used to go to a penetecostal church too and while I respect the people there, it along with a large portion of Christianity is too political instead of focusing on God. Large religions tend to include a lot of politics.

    2: Hinduism does not make sense to any one who believes in the Abrahamic God

    3: ancedotal

    Off topic but I've been reading this thread and the hate people have on the OT, I do not understand. It's a series of books from mostly 1500 BC, there was barely any civilization beyond city states. The people back then had to fight against basic shit like starvation which was actually common in it. It has some pretty bad stuff in it, but the way people thought in those times was way different compared to now currently. I have not read the entire thing but I have read the first 5 books of the OT and I feel the fact modern christians tend to ignore the stories in it even when some stories like Job teach important lessons like always having faith in God is a combination of anti-semitism and modern arrogance, I think
     
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  2. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    I went to California once. It was like another planet where everyone spoke with a rising terminal, elephant seals fought each other on the beach, and gas was $3.99 a gallon.
     
  3. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    The Book of Job portrays God as a prick though. I won't go into it more than that since it's off topic and /pol thread is serious business.
     
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  4. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Still Mildly Glowing

    Nov 28, 2015
    Ya, but you have the perspective of a human living in 2018 in the west where you can not work and still survive from welfare in it. You are anthromorphizing a being that is beyond time and space in stories from when basic needs were not usually met actually.
     
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  5. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    >anti-semitism
    What the fuck. Most Christian denominations (in the US) hold the Jews in exceedingly high regard. I think a far more likely explanation for the OT being mostly ignored is the fact that Christ dying on the cross was supposed to release the Christians from most if not all of the stuff the OT put on them. That's actually one of the reasons I laugh at fundies who cite Leviticus for one reason or another.

    As for churches becoming political - well, religious stuff tends to include a lot of social commentary and criticism, giving it significant overlap with politics.
     
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  6. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Still Mildly Glowing

    Nov 28, 2015
    The way the OT thinks not just in terms of how barbaric it is but in the way it sees concepts like God is way different to Christianity.

    The Old Testament goes out of its way to try and not anthromorphize God, God tends to dodge the question of his name to Moses because that is a human concept that gives humans dominion over other things where as God is above us, God usually talks through prophets and when he does appear, its an abstract form like a burning bush or a cloud, and the religion of Judaism itself takes the commandment of idolatry very seriously I have noticed and the religious ones will go out of their way to censor the word God because of how holy the word is actually. If you contrast this to what Christians believe God is more "human" because of Christ.

    I've hung around a bunch of religious communities online since I find the topic interesting and smaller religions are usually not as political. I am half asleep so I might not make sense on i.t
     
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  7. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    Well, since you want to get personal:

    Yes, I am looking at a story that was likely copied from previous sources, about a supposed morally superior being making a bet with one of his "Angels" (which he set us up to fail with for reasons), who then curses Job to pain and misery, killing his family in the process...I did read the whole Bible btw.

    When Job says "Hey God! Why are you doing this?" God responds with the worst argument a living being could possibly imagine...

    "WERE YOU THERE WHEN I MADE THE UNIVERSE? DO YOU HOLD THE GALAXY TOGETHER? HOW DARE YOU ASK QUESTIONS!?

    But it's ok because Job got more wives and kids and shit in the end. Such a great story. We were so lucky to have thousands of years of people killing each other over worshiping slightly different interpretations of the same fucking God. The OT God is a massive prick. Without the New Testament the religion would have never reached the West. The religion as it exists today is nothing like it was intended.

    If you are arguing it's value on our culture I am not disputing that, but claiming it was some beacon of enlightenment in a dark and savage world when other religions preached the same thing is absurd.
     
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  8. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Still Mildly Glowing

    Nov 28, 2015
    The moral of the story is to always have faith in God, Job was one of the ones that had it the worst so if he had faith, so why can't the average person retain faith in God through bad times? Is having faith in God considered a bad moral currently?


    The way Judaism and Islam view God is completely different to the way Christians view it. The former two despite their differences are strictly monothestic and take the commandment of not bearing an image unto God very seriously. Christianity, because of its western influences sees God in concepts like the Trinity where God is made of 3 parts and The Creation of Adam by Michealanglo which directly depicts God as a human being is considered fine art and was commissioned by the Catholic church a while ago even though the Byzantines actually would have probably smashed it

    So what do you value in a culture actually?[/quote][/QUOTE]
     
  9. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    I know what the moral is supposed to be. Have you actually read The Book of Job/OT at all though? It fails miserably as a story for two reasons really. First, God is written as a petulant child that if angered will destroy innocent people, and if you question him, you get told "I'm God bitch" with the disclaimer that we are too stupid to understand his ways. Secondly, it's all based on a bet that the Devil pitches to God. Have you noticed how Satan is on a speaking basis with God? Almost like the Garden was all a setup and God feigned some sort of anger and shock over us being mislead into eating the "Fruit".

    Addressing your second point I completely disagree. The only differences are cultural. The stupid little differences are all human ones, not based on any notion of what a JUST God would allow or condone. The stories are all the same with varying degrees of differences related to the place in which the religion evolved. You can trace the nature of this evolution by the migratory patterns and historical data and linguistics. I could break it down for you since it is a topic I am heavily invested in, but as I said off topic.

    What I value in culture? Not DOGMA based on nonsense that is for sure.
     
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  10. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    As someone who was raised very Catholic, OT God was one of the reasons I went Pagan. I don't judge anyone for believing anything (as I stated before), but you have to understand that without the New Testament the Bible would essentially be chronicling the exploits of a cosmic psychopath. It's only because of the crucifixion and Christ that the Bible even stands morally; the themes of love and acceptance of all are New Testament creations.

    I hate to take sides, because I always preach unity, but I'm firmly on TorontRanyne's (or up his ass...just so the joke has already been made) on this one.

    Modern religion and the issues therein are dictated by humans. Have been since the Medieval times. Like the man said, it's not based on what a just God would do, but rather conforms to the prejudices and personalities of the worshippers. If you're Christian, fine. If you're Muslim, fine. Jewish, fine. But have the sense of awareness to recognize that the OT does not stand as a moral book. Any morality it preached became obsolete long ago.
     
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  11. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    Exactly. The argument that God has reasons for doing fucked up shit is nonsense for so many reasons...but I won't give them because reasons.

    WERE YOU HERE IN 2005 WHEN WOOZ AND WELSH AND ODIN AND BROTHER NONE WALKED THESE HALLS!?
     
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  12. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    Unfortunately no; I started lurking here around 2016, and only joined recently.
     
  13. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    Haha. I wasn't asking you. I was simply saying if you put God logic on anything nobody is accountable for their actions because they are infallible. Makes a proper debate or conversation hard to come by with God I bet.
     
  14. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    I see. Sorry lol
     
  15. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    See guys? Put a modicum of authority behind someone and have them yell really loud and people respond.

    :brothernone:
     
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  16. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    I just want to say this is all pretty fucking enlightening for a political shitpost thread.
     
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  17. AureliusofPhoenix

    AureliusofPhoenix Centurion

    Jun 25, 2018
    I'm fucking crying right now :lmao:
     
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  18. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018

    something something MAGApedes something something BUILD THE WALL

    I think that within the next 4 years there is going to be an open Tea Party-esque rebellion within the Democratic Party and shit's going to get really funny. (I mean, the Tea Party was fucking hilarious in retrospect, so, yeah.)
     
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  19. TerminallyChill

    TerminallyChill Be excellent to each other.

    Feb 16, 2018
    I TAKE EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT HIM BEING UNATTRACTIVE BACK.

    You are spot on. It's likely going to consist of reactionary third wave feminists who insist socialism and political correctness are the answers to all of our problems. Everybody loves a simplified solution.
     
  20. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 1, 2005
    I vote for cutting extra bases in parts of the world that do not want our protection.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/us-military-bases-around-the-world-119321



    Let God sort them out. I'm sure he will say:

    WERE YOU THERE WHEN I SACRIFICED MY SON ON THE CROSS!?

    And who could blame them for wanting us out?

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/12/opinion/la-oe-frank-honduras-drug-war-20130212

    We need one of those in Mexico. I think...in a few decades maybe. :V
     
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