Receipt for cult classic that is F1-F2-FNV

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by 0wing, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    Is, as well as other late 90s-early 00s RPGs, these three points executed well. Despite broken SPECIAL and really wooden main gameplay loop.

    1.Non-linear quest solutions including non-trivial ones to the point of abusing fault game mechanics and finishing them in any desirable order which (the order) also can influence narration and endgame.
    2.Subtle post-modernism responsible for humor in these games. Even Fallout 2 was only halfway retarded (quantity flew into quality) with it's humor.
    3.Hilarious cynicism in everything from visual design to most important here - writing. We in Russia not sensing this but USs patriotic rednecks' butthurt could cause chain reaction because of Fallouts content.

    It's all blends into the best case of rare intellectual breed of exploitation media with a healthy dose of mocking the united states, it's "values" and "culture". Like Postal but to say short.

    Everything of this is absent in Fallout 3 and 4 because Bethesda decided to be unironically patriotic and 'MURICA FUCK YEAH!, include soppy plotlines and no less soppy 'social commentaries'. 'The result are some really stale action games. Why? Why washing out things that made Fallout fun, why planning to miss the point? My money is on butthurt and rustled jimmies of some sensitive american patriots among bugthesda higher ups. Tim Cain truly is /ourguy/!
     
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  2. Norzan

    Norzan Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Apr 7, 2017
    Because "America, Fuck Yeah" is one of the easiest things to write and Bethesda are a bunch of lazy assholes.
     
  3. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    That's quite a surface analysis of the problem. Besides, if "America FUCK YEAH" is easy to write, why do they keep failing at that?
     
  4. Norzan

    Norzan Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Apr 7, 2017
    Never said they were writing it well, just saying they chose one of the easiest one to write.
     
  5. naossano

    naossano Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 19, 2006
    Does receipt mean anything else that a paid bill in the english speaking world ?
     
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  6. nkchan16

    nkchan16 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jul 27, 2016
    Recipe perhaps?
     
  7. Post-War Tribal

    Post-War Tribal Local neighbourhood degenerate

    Nov 8, 2018
    Consumerism is the real communism
     
  8. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    Yes, and that's what it is. It's not a how-to but the list of components.
    No, it doesn't say "how to cook cult classic".
     
  9. Petrox

    Petrox First time out of the vault

    Mar 15, 2018
    The Bethesda Fallout games are amalgams of both ironic and unironic patriotic 'social commentaries' presented intentionally and unintentionally, and the games are experienced as shallow, loosely associated, fragmented composites as opposed to the cohesive presentation of lore and gameplay that we see in the originals.

    But given the way Bethesda functions as a team, this is not surprising. For instance, this classic dismissal and portrayal of a stunning degree of arrogant ignorance from Emil Pagliarulo in discussing the design of the Dark Brotherhood questline in Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, which contains such enlightening insights into the quality of research and effort put into the development of contributing writing to an established body of work as "I looked at the Dark Brotherhood fiction, and stuff, from Morrowind, and I'm just like 'that doesn't really fit what I wanna do, I wanna change the lore' so I'm like, I asked Todd, I'm like 'hey can I make changes to this?' and he's like 'Ah, go ahead, go nuts' so I'm like 'ok, great'.



    There is also the profound revelation of the fact that he redesigned the Dark Brotherhood to be an 'inversion' of Christianity, truly a bold and risky direction no one has ever considered trying before.

    This is the level of incompetence and irreverence we are dealing with in Fallout 3 and 4, and the travesty that 76 purports to be. Rather than a handful of people with a relatively unified vision, influenced by the same media, sharing a similar intellectual capacity and devotion to artistic integrity, there is a ton of people, of varying degrees of intellectual capacity, working in isolation and apparently only collaborating to determine how everybody can rework everything so that each writers tangentially related subplots can cohabit the same virtual sensorium without interfering with one another.
     
  10. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
    They did not achieve 'America, fuck yeah' if that's what they were even going for. Frankly I' be surprised if their concept was more than one word.
     
  11. retardette

    retardette First time out of the vault

    Aug 19, 2015

    Social commentaries are different from anti-americanism, which sums your quite uncollected and confusing post.

    Born and raised in Europe, and this stuff starts to become really really tiresome at this point.