STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI (HUGE SPOILERS EVERYWHERE)

Reading your review I couldn't help but get flashbacks to how I felt with Fallout 4.
Like Star Wars is for you, the Fallout series had a lot of impact on me. It helped me through some of my most trying times and helped me become a more understanding person.
This is a personal shame of mine but before I got into the Fallout series I was quite homophobic. My fathers daughter, as I was always told. When I played through New Vegas I began to reevaluate my beliefs and realized that such beliefs were toxic and decided to become more understanding and accepting towards people who are LGBT. Which ended up being a good thing as I would learn a few years later that my youngest brother is gay.
I can understand your frustration and disappointment. Its heartbreaking to see something that you not only love, but had such a positive impact on your life only for it to be dragged through the mud and then lit on fire by a bunch of incompetent monkeys who have no respect towards the license and have no idea what they want or what their doing.

Sorry for going into some personal details but I can relate to how you must feel right now.

 

Visuals okay. Story shallow and lacking when you start to think about it like most of Star Wars. If you're invested in Rey and Ren and Luke and Fynn and Poe it works. (Though Fynn arguably has a needless sideplot that goes back to 'story shallow and lacking when you start to think about it' with Rose).

Not the worst movie, just a bit weird and wonky. I would call it the F4 of Star Wars: has a few good things, a lot of bland and leaves you scratching your head at times; and if it was polished from a more original cut it might had been a gem.

 

You know I think this could be the make or brake for Star Wars fans the world over. When I first heard that Disney was aiming for a film every year, I thought that would become its own problem.

Well my first impressions on The Last Jedi were positive, but upon reevaluation, I have to consider things. I'm starting to wonder if don't hate the films persay, but the megafranchise that surrounds them. Alll the merchandise, all the box office revenue, all the fan theories that don't mean shit, all the EA games that want to marry themselves to the image of the original trilogy (I saw two big budget trailers for Battlefront II when I saw TLJ), it can be too much to take in I think.

I obviously love Star Wars, but I guess I kind of hate it as well.

 

There's not much to say because it didn't have much going for it. It was FILLER: THE MOVIE. I think there was like maybe 3 instances where the plot actually advanced. Its still borrowing heavily from the original trilogy. We still don't have a very simple scene where they pull up a map and establish the first order and the resistance territories. The power dynamic has seemed to a shifted 100% from TFA. The "resistance" seemed to be a full fledged government In TFA but is now reduced to like 200 people on a ship for some reason. I don't fucking know anymore.

 

Luke had training over a significant period by a Grandmaster Jedi, plus he didn't really win against Vader until Vader majorly pissed him off. Not to mention the Emperor absolutely fried his ass and would have died had Vader not intervened. /nerd moment


I haven't seen The Last Jedi, but since TFA I've found that the new setting, characters and overall story just doesn't do it for me. Also I'm probably alone on this, but Daisy Ridley irks me.

 

Come now. I got mixed emotions on Rey, especially in The Force Awakens, but one thing I noticed is how plain looking Daisy Ridley is. Least that's how I see it.

 

The whole clone army idea always bugged the piss out of me. Isn't the Republic made up of thousands of planets? What all those planets couldn't scrounge up a volunteer army?

 

Except... well the clones *are* people. It is undeniably a slave army.

Also was anyone else weirded out that when Luke was burning the jedi books that you can see its legends novels from old canon and like right on top is the the thrawn trilogy? And then Luke turned to the camera and said "fuck you Timothy zhan". I thought that was wierd.

Ha ha that joke totally isn't blatant plagiarism i swear. I don't watch Jenny Nicholson who the fuck is she? Shut up

 

Slaves aren't people -toront 2017

 

Only white cloned slaves.

I personaly believe that whole clone thing was based anyway on one throw-away line by Kenobi in STAR WARS A NEW HOPE, which was there to sound good and mysterious, to give a bit of debth to a character without thinking to much about it. The clones could have meant everything in that sense, and was only meant to inspire the viewers imagination.

I doubt it was meant to be fleshed out trough 3 movies - regardless of what Lucas said to all the people that he had all the backstory for Episode 1-3 when he made A NEW HOPE. Lucas sure was very creative in his days, but he was far from this super story teller or genious film maker that some people make him. He simply didn't really make enough ground braking movies to show his skills as director or movie maker in my opinion, not like Cameron or Spielberg who continued to deliver blockbustes for decades.


*Edit
As far as Star Wars goes, there are really only 3 decent movies, and from those, only 1 actually was really 'STAR WARS', when you think about it, and that was A NEW HOPE. At the end of the day, Lucas and his collegues made Star Wars as an homage to the old movies of their childhood, like Flash Gordon for example. Just as when film makers today use Indiana Jones or Star Wars as their inspiration. In that sense, Star Wars really is extremly simple in the structure. It was not made as episode to spawn a whole new universe or to creat thousands of movies and merchendaize, infact a lot of people actually thought Lucas was crazy as they thought it was nothing but schlock. Only with THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI have the characters been fleshed out more, with a bit of backstory, the introduction of the Empire with the Emperor, Vader as his direct servant and so on. Star Wars, for me, really shines and falls with the villains, as Atomkilla said, they are the only characters showing some kind of emotional debth.

All the SW movies that came after it, have basically nothing to do with Star Wars anymore, if you want to be really serious, not even THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI, albeit EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was really well made, from a stroy telling persepctive, and RETURN OF THE JEDI gave the saga closure, albeit the third movie really was the weakest for the 3 in my opinion, with some great highlights throw in, like the Luke - Vader confrontation.

Star Wars I guess, has simply become nothing more but movies to sell merchandize, where as before it was actually reversed, where merchendize was made do to the popularity of the movies. Now you have characters included with only one purpose, to sell fucking toys to (grown up) toddlers.

 

I think I preferred the Clone Wars that Timonthy Zahn implied in the Thrawn triilogy rather than what Lucas wound up making up; that the clones were an unstable but ever-numerous opposing army that their masters used to wage war and that the Republic nearly lost fighting that war. Said near loss was how Palpatine even rose to power and formed the Empire (probably by being the one politician who managed to do something to win those wars).

Here are the Wookiepedia points on pre-AOTC Clone Wars:

EDIT: Also, haven't seen the film yet. I've read about it though. It is amusing to read how Luke wound up becoming a light-side version of Kreia with not as much scathing critique on the Jedi.

 

This would have been a better film tbh