Things Fallout 4 Got Right

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Wasteland Wanderer, Apr 14, 2017.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I lack the machines and tooling for such, unlike future machine shops.

    You can't make a gun without the tools.
    I could, given enough time, resources, and tools.

    How much you want to pay me? ;P

    Are you well seasoned machine shop worker? Do you know how to use lathes, stuff like that?

    Stuff like AK's are literally just pieces of metal stamped into shape, with some machined innards.
    Or, they're just incompetent and need the plans because they lack the skills?

    Seriously.
    https://www.google.com.au/search?rl...0i67k1j0i10i67k1j0i10k1j0i13i30k1.EJNDT5XdYT8

    Look, complete nobodies making AK parts and shit.
     
  2. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
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    Jun 14, 2014
    Because they have the plans and measurements available all over the internet. Today even nobodies have internet.

    Do you have proof that any of them just one day woke up knowing all the precise measurements for each part in a particular gun so they could make it? Also even professional made guns can misfire and not work well even if just one little piece has any fault in it. But anyone without plans and measurements can make a gun you say...

    Also in the real world is easier to get any good quality metals and alloys, in Fallout world is not that easy (NCR has mines that get new ore and the Gun Runners use that to make new weapons), does the Commonwealth have active mines getting quality ore and metals to make weapons from? Not to mention now with 3D printing, any idiot can just download the specs for parts and use a 3D printer to make them.

    Also, last time I checked, to use machinery like the one necessary to make weapon parts you need at least training in using it, are you telling me any wastelander can just go to a place with machines older than 200 years without functioning, any maintenance and probably no power, make it work and use it properly when there is no one around that even knows how to operate or train people into doing it?
    Do we even see anyone in Fallout 4 using any of those machines or making new parts for things instead of using scavenged parts (this is a genuine question, I can't remember)?
    The only ones probably capable of that would be the Institute or later in the timeline the BoS. And why would them be making those weapons when they have the technology and tools to make the real deal (BoS in FNV even make fun of initiates that have to recharge their own ammunition instead of using "real" one).
     
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  3. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
  4. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    You are already shooting you in the foot with your links, the first thing you can read on your link page is this:
    He only managed to make it because he got the damn plans. Which totally breaks your argument of "people don't need plans to make guns"...
    Notice how he was already a craftsman, he knew how to use the tools, he got quality metal to build it too. He didn't build it without plans and with at least 230 years old rusty metal. Not to mention it says it is far from being an easy task.
     
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  5. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    So you're ignoring the last one? A 100% original gun?

    It's not a stretch at all to go from 100% original gun, altered to a replica of a firearm.
     
  6. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
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    Jun 14, 2014
    It's not an original gun, he "designed it" by being able to build it using common hardware materials. Inside it is still the same as any other 9mm Submachine gun. Except it wasn't made with proper firearm parts.
    His objective was to have a firearm made that doesn't use any firearm components. That doesn't mean he knew how to make a gun without plans of an already existing weapon, it means he just made the components himself, while following some plans.

    The guy in the video even says that his objective was to show you could make a gun without using the government controlled gun parts. He also says that when they loaded it and fired the gun in the court case, it was only good enough to be considered a gun, so even those weapons made with hardware store parts are not close to a real weapon. Notice how he also made plans on how to build those parts and put those plans on his book. If anyone can do it why making plans for it? :confused:

    Video guys also says "it's a crude gun, a heavy gun, the trigger pull sucks, the accuracy would suck because it's a non rifle barrel. It's not perfectly reliable or mostly reliable."

    And now the beauty of you shooting in your foot once again. Even the video guy say:
    When even your examples go against what you're using them for... I rest my case.
    Also I am tired of derailing this thread and just keep repeating myself (both things I hate to do). So even if you don't believe me and don't believe your own sources, then I have nothing else to say about this subject. It would just lead to pages after pages of posts of me repeating myself, wasting my time reading and watching your sources that even you didn't watch or read.
     
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  7. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Aside from the dead Gary in Operation Anchorage, I always thought the whole biometric lock was just bullshit Stanley(?) told the Lone Wanderer so they wouldn't try to take it off. I don't mind the 3000, though I'm not keen on 4's version.

    Those guys immune to radiation...because they believe in an entity called Atom? Load of bollocks. Didn't mind the rest of the Glowing Sea for the most part but there could have been more to it than just "it's a radioactive hellhole."
     
  8. Valdetiosi

    Valdetiosi First time out of the vault

    Jul 14, 2017
    Well, I guess this is positive thing to say, but I liked monsters upon Fallout 4, at least those that were not reskinned,renamed or mutated into legendaries.

    It just wants me to have these creatures in New Vegas rather than in 4.
     
  9. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Which ones? The bloodbugs and such?
     
  10. Valdetiosi

    Valdetiosi First time out of the vault

    Jul 14, 2017
    Yes, Bloodpugs, the underwater beasts, and some "passive" animals.

    If there's something I hate, it's the style of Deathclaws here. Feels like going off to the wrong turn, like Skyrim did with Argonians.
     
  11. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    I don't recall the underwater ones, unless you mean those mutant dolphin corpses? It's been quite a while since I've played Fallout 4.
     
  12. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Also, the Institute has tons of minions whose entire shtick is to be better than human and being immune to radiation. It wouldn't exactly be hindered by the radiation if they wanted to find him.
     
  13. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    I always thought that FNV hinted that anyone can remove it if they want to. After all, Doc Mitchell gives you his old one and you just put it on without any biometric lock or anything. Then Mick and Ralph can also remove your Pipboy and replace it with a Pimpboy (or does it just hands it to you and your pipboy gets replaced automatically? I can't remember). None of them mention any biometric lock or anything. It wouldn't be hard to make Doc Mitchell's or Mick comment about it, specially since it would stay attached to you for the rest of your life (you would think someone giving you something that would be locked to your arm would warn you about it).
     
  14. Shoggot

    Shoggot First time out of the vault

    Monday
    I think some of the characters are done quite right or at least are done in interesting way. However I couldn't get past the 20 hour mark of gameplay because the game is simply annoying.

    Oh, and just gun sounds are huge improvement over FO3. Other than that, I can't think of anything.