How many times has China used it's security council veto? 6? 8? No more than 10 times anyhow. Hell even Russia, as antagonistic as she can be, has vetoed less than the US. I'm not saying you're wrong; yet I reckon an awful lot of people on this planet think 'the fuck!' every time the States veto’s some pretty sensible resolution regarding Israel. Just an example, like. This would normally be when I'd start playing Devil's advocate, and aid my comrade donperkan. However, the little I know about the former conglomeration of Southern Slavs tells me it would be hopeless struggle. Sorry comrade. EDIT: Sorry, missed that - and I agree with it. On another note, what I've always liked about NMA are the political threads, which - apart from the anally cyclic gun control and religion threads - have been rare recently. Now there are two, both started by yours truly. Don't I make nice things happen?