What Makes A Good Fallout Game?

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by Fallout Guy117, Jul 20, 2016.

  1. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Cover based combat. No matter how much people dislike it, modern combat revolves around cover, and places without enough of it are (rightly) considered deathtraps even with a tactical superiority.
     
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  2. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    I'm not a big fan. I find the issue with it is that most that have it, relay way too much on it. There are a few exceptions however (Deus Ex HR, Alpha Protocol (I think it had CBC anyway).
    When I think of CBC, I think of how bad Mass Effect's 1 combat system was, or how boring Gears of War is.
     
  3. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Cover-based combat would solve a lot of the Legion's problems that's for sure.
     
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  4. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    But it's realistic, and how can protection against bullet fire be too much?

    Combat is more about suppression and pinning rather then hitting your enemies.
     
  5. GlutinousRice

    GlutinousRice Ne travaillez jamais

    Nov 7, 2015
    Cover is probably boring in shooter. But, in a turn base tactical squad game it add depth, as it make positioning, line of fire more important, instead of standing in the open. See Silent Storm, XCom, Xenonauts, Jagged Alliance (does it have one? Can't remember well), or FOT.
     
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  6. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    It might be realistic, but in a game where the player can take 200 bullets to the head and still be alive and killing enemies (and enemies doing the same) a fight would probably take a long time with *ducks behind a wall* *enemy ducks behind a metal container* *peeks and shoots* *enemy peeks and shoots* *both miss because of the cover* *rinse and repeat forever until the player runs out of ammo or gets bored and just storms the enemy's cover*... I don't think that makes a good fallout game (like the thread name asks). >_>
     
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  7. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Make it so shooting is really dangerous and that headshots are instant kills, and that you become incapacitated after a shot pretty much anywhere.
     
  8. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Again it doesn't make it a good Fallout game. Like @valcik said Fallout was first and most a P&P based RPG. That kind of combat system does not work well with games like these.
    Well, to be honest even if you do that in a FPS, then you will have to enjoy reloading your game a lot, I guess that would be a way to exclude most bethdrones though. :lmao:
    Remember kids, Fallout does not try to have realistic combat, to be honest I think combat in a Fallout game is the least important "piece of the puzzle".
    The world, people, stories and character are the most important things in a Fallout game (for me, I have no problems with people who think otherwise), that and how the people and our character interact with their environment/world.
    Well what I am trying to say is that a good Fallout game is (again for me) being faithful to a P&P experience. I am tired and can't convey my feelings and thoughts very well today, so just read what @valcik posted last page (too tired to go look for it and quote it:tired:), since I agree with his post. :nod:
     
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  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Sometimes you can have a good idea but it may not fit within the universe/setting you've fabricated. Do NOT just put it in there anyway. (It's the on of the reasons they cut the S'Lanter from fo1.) Beth has made this mistake countless times. (The biggest imo Being synths) and if you have a good idea don't half ass it. (Again looking at Beth) and if you have no ideas maybe don't make that game (fallout 4).
     
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    It does, if done right. Which is why cover is emphasized but it also creates fun, tactical and fast combat. Not HP fests where it takes 300 years to kill someone. Also, it makes armour much more important.
     
  11. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    Any kind of conventional shooter mechanic won't contribute to "a good Fallout game" in a positive way. Covermechanic can work if the core gameplay mechanics work in a way that sufficently reflects that the game is an RPG (e.g. a turn-/pahsebased scenario), but striving for "a realistic shooter" just makes it pop-a-mole. Such doesn't really improve the HP bloat stuff, it's just different kind of bad (for this series).
     
  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    I was referring to a turn based isometric cover based combat. I dislike cover based combat in first person shooters.
     
  13. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Fps with no cover system at all can sometimes feel like this:



    Fallout 1&2 get away with it Because they're turn based.
     
  14. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Yeah it shouldn't have none but... whack a mole anyone?
     
  15. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    I misinterpreted you then.

    It happens.
     
  16. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Nah it's fine. I would like to see a turn based cover based combat in Fallout, would make combat hard but not too hard.
     
  17. TransgenderVaultDeweller

    TransgenderVaultDeweller "Fallout 4 adds to the lore"

    Aug 14, 2015
  18. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Vault Fossil

    Jun 15, 2015
    Oh God this fucking trailer. I remember seeing that and in stunned silence and than began crying. This is what Fallout has devolved into. Fuck me! :-x
     
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  19. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Sure... :smug:
     
  20. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Vault Fossil

    Jun 15, 2015
    Only in @Millim fanfiction you will! ;)