Why Robert Edwin House is the best hope for the wasteland and humanity

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Throatpunch, Apr 14, 2016.

  1. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    First of all it is the best option for the courier. For delivering the platinum chip, you are rewarded 1,000 caps, and a suite. With the NCR, you get some caps, which isnt bad, but with House you get a penthouse suit. In the endgame, your are basically rewarded with ownership of the Lucky 38, which after it is reopened will take almost all of the other casinos customer base away, given it has not been opened for 200 years and is viewed with reverence and awe on the strip. It is most likely it will pull in over 30,000 caps a week. People will come from all across the Mojave and NCR to gamble and drink. Remember House controls all of the industry on the strip, so he will take a lions share of the profits created (which are huge already). Imagine the benefit you as the courier could garner from this? After the main story is finished you are effectively Houses oddjob handyman, but an oddjob handyman who lives in a penthouse suit and is inordinately rich. After the end of the game, it is not mentioned, but it is obvious House will enrich the courier beyond imagining, for helping him with his grand scheme. Also the courier can rest assured humanities future is in competent hands. Also he will give you immortality, with his special life preserving machines.



    "With all that money pouring in? Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation."

    WOW. That is incredible, compared humanity being guided under a corrupt, bloated and pretty useless government, the NCR. (By endgame House has them on his payroll anyway).
    Another alternative is a brutalising dictatorship, where crucifixions and burnings happen on a daily basis in the name of homeland security, modern medicine is banned and inaccessible, and you will be executed for minor offences. Dear me, House sounds better.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

    House is not a person who takes essential liberty, Caesar is. He banned homosexual behaviour.

    "I have no interest in abusing others, just as I have no interest in legislating or otherwise dictating what people do in their private time. Nor have I any interest in being worshipped as some kind of machine god messiah. I am impervious to such corrupting ambitions."

    Many claim the legion is at an advantage given there is no corruption. Rubbish, it may have no corruption, but House is not corrupt at all, and he refrains from all the extreme violence and doesn't have a crucifixion fetish.
    He takes a Laissez Faire approach to the wasteland, and I am sure many in the wasteland would rather be left alone to sit in shit all day than be crucified and/or raped and burned, with strong men being conscripted and women being breeding tools. NCR is too lazy and rotten to do anything anyway. They are too busy with imperialism to care.

    House is a dictator, but a good one. (They exist). He is not gonna indulge in some kind of Stalin style purge on a whim, or regulate peoples lives. He is a good leader. He is immune to bribes from people like brahmin barons, hell, House could probably bribe the brahmin barons if he wanted to. He has no sex life, given he is basically a sentient potato crisp at this point, so nobody can send in some hot babe to convince him to do other peoples will. After he is done with the dam, he will annihilate the kings and gangs in New Vegas. He will probably renovate the area, since why would he want some smelly slum next to the beautiful jewel of the wasteland. You, the courier, have a modicum of influence on Houses decisions, so perhaps you could convince him to fund the Followers of the Apocalypse?

    Some good points from a clever dude on Reddit:
    "1 - House has access to a treasure trove of technical resources from the REPCONN headquarters and launch site. With all the money from the casinos and manpower clogging up Freeside, House can effectively build up a workforce of technical specialists.

    2 - The U.S and China were fighting on the Moon in the Sea of Tranquillity. Considering this, they more than likely had lunar facilities to deploy troops/fighters to attack one another. If there are any leftover facilities, House wouldn't even need to start from scratch on Earth.

    All he'd have to do is send enough people on rockets to these abandoned lunar facilities and get them working on making them operational. If he's lucky, he might scavenge information that could lead to him producing even more effective colony ships, but at the very least he has access to the Moon.

    Once there is a working base/outpost on the Moon, House has a backup plan in the event that Vegas is compromised again by a desperate NCR/Legion onslaught. With at least 10,000 people and all the technology he can scrounge up from the Mojave, House can produce a lunar colony that is viable and self-sufficient in most concerns. He'd still need salvage, but that is assuming he loses Vegas in the process of taking hold of the Moon.Earth was drained before the war, and that's the real problem nobody wants to acknowledge. The NCR can extend more and more until it collapses on itself, but even if it sticks to the West Coast they'll eventually run out of arable land and salvageable goods. House isn't looking at keeping his bets on a rotten planet, he plans to get the hell out and avoid the inevitable Malthusian collapse of post-war societies.he NCR is only interested in repeating the mistakes of the U.S without the resources to keep recovering from the consequences, while the Legion is actually marginally better in that they'd use less resources as a society. Even then, they too would run out of scrap/resources and fall apart just like the N.C.R.".

    House is taking successful pre war society, removing the fatal flaws, and leading humanity to a better future in the stars.
     
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  2. Spacemunkey

    Spacemunkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 4, 2015
    Never once did House offer me a Jane style sexbot, so I went NCR.
     
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  3. mrchaos

    mrchaos Super Orc

    Nov 14, 2015
    First off, hello doomsday, welcome to nma enjoy your daily intake of pessisim.

    To the matter at hand, I don´t consider house a benovelent dictator. Look at freeside, they didn´t joined him and he just let it became a ghetoo. And will he says that he can give the life support technology to the people and the possibility of space colonization he doesn´t actually have the resources and people to do that.
     
  4. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    Hi Mrchaos! pleased to meet you. thanks for my welcome, i look forward to my daily pessimism.

    It appears you have not read what i put properly my friend.

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    relating to your qualms about his space capability, this should answer your question.


    thanks for your reply
     
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  5. Spacemunkey

    Spacemunkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 4, 2015
    House was hanging on by a thread, Legion at his front door, the NCR dug in all around, and the 2 of the three families looking to oust him. It was only a matter of time before he was finished. Look at it in game, without the Courier House can accomplish nothing, where the Legion and the NCR are perfectly capable of completing the task at hand without any outside help. The Legion sent Frumentarii to the Khans and had spies everywhere, NCR had Ranger stations all over the Mojave and were taking a foothold in Freeside. House may have had some grand ideas in his little speech, which sounded like the same one he gave all of his protege's, but logically he couldn't have implemented them.
     
  6. Illuminati Confirmed!

    Illuminati Confirmed! Banned

    Dec 15, 2015
    Well... nobody really accomplishes anything without the courier. How are the Legion and NCR perfectly capable of completing their tasks without outside help if they need the Courier's help to do so? And not only his but in the Legion's case that of the Khans, Omertas, Boomers and White Glove society. The NCR needs House's support to even be in Vegas to begin with, and they aren't exactly radiating competence in general.

    All factions are in a stalemate at the beginning, but House is the best of the bunch. Unless the Courier is also some kind of genius, he's the only one who can make humanity great again.
     
  7. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    This is why I couldn't really follow him anymore. I have done playthroughs for almost all the factions except legion, but no matter what I came to a couple of conclusions.

    One NCR is corrupted, lazy, outstreched and you have to fix all their trouble for them. With Van Graffs and Crimson Caravan scheme you realize they will keep on expanding until it all falls apart.

    House, well he is a bright mind, but he doesn't care about people. He cares about New Vegas so he can preserve it, like a snowglobe. He is cold, ruthless, calculating. I might have helped him, if it wasn't for the fact that the way he wants to accomplish his goals is not really possible. As Cass said it, "We were going full speed ahead... but facing backwards the whole time."

    And my favourite is Yes Man. Sure, chaos becomes a standard but at the same time, I think that my courier would have let yes man do all the stuff and make Mojave an empire, before disappearing into shadows of the wasteland. With the tech of Big Mountain, Sierra Madre and Utah trading route, I think he would create a powerful country. Not perfect but better than tyranny or corruption.
     
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  8. Illuminati Confirmed!

    Illuminati Confirmed! Banned

    Dec 15, 2015
    What makes House's methods questionable?
     
  9. Spacemunkey

    Spacemunkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 4, 2015
    If you take the Courier out of the equation both the Legion,NCR, and Benny with the Yes Man and the followers are all capable of securing the region, House is the only option that only works because of the Courier helping him. House is the only one pre killing Benny that actively seeks help from an outside agent because he is incapable of anything by himself.
     
  10. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    Your counter arguments are pretty disappointing.
    you have disregarded all the good things and said House is at a tactical disadvantage, which is true for everyone, and can easily be remedied.

    that depends on your couriers personality. I personally view yes man as a bad ending
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    well in a catastrophic nuclear wasteland which is basically the middle east on steroids, he cant be soft and mumsy wumsy can he? come on now

    he is obviously capable of hiring agents
     
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  11. Ninja

    Ninja Who?

    Dec 15, 2015
    Liked for this golden quote.
     
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  12. Spacemunkey

    Spacemunkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 4, 2015
    I've killed House in 99% of my games, seems he's 0 for 2 on that front.
     
  13. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    The way I see it, he wants to rebuild the world like it used to be, before the great war with it's faults and ideals alike. He is so stuck up in the past that he can't see the future. Also when I look at the ending of House, he doesn't gain my approval. Destroying BOS, because they are bunch of hoarders and a threat? Acceptable and reasonable. Destroying Kings, when you decide to stop constant fighting and further loss of life? Now this is where it gets bad. Instead of trying to get on better terms with freeside, he destroys the kings.

    Nellis, boomers are completly ignored, even though they are one of the most advanced factions in the Mojave wasteland. There are other things, but those struck me the most.
     
  14. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    House is taking successful pre war society, removing the fatal flaws, and leading humanity to a better future in the stars.
    Its not like he is going to go out and crucify your aunt sue for shits and giggles,or force her into a failing empire in some nutty 19Th century style imperialism run.
    The kings needed destroying, they were completely concretely set in there ways, and dominated freeside. House wants to dominate everywhere near the strip, absolute power, with no contenders. Do you see now?
    Also the kings are not nice people themselves, being violent ganger's and putting tariffs on water and all of that

    if you dont wanna destory bos buy nv on pc and get the house - bos alliance mod
     
  15. mrchaos

    mrchaos Super Orc

    Nov 14, 2015
    The kings ending (and the fate of freeside) is decided by how they deal with the ncr. IF they make peace, house destroy´s them. And if they keep being hostile, House just leaves them alone. He doesn´t do anything to help them. The same case with the followers of the apocalypse, he doesn´t help them with their hummanitary efforts.

    I would like to know the source of this plan, I don´t remember him saying anything about scavenging moon bases. And It´s still a dubious plan. These abandoned moon bases wouldn´t been in very good shape after over 200 years of neglect.
     
  16. Spacemunkey

    Spacemunkey Vault Senior Citizen

    Dec 4, 2015
    Yet the Omertas, Chairmen, and White Glove Society are gold. See this is another problem with House he prefers people like Jane as opposed to the real thing, you can't lead humanity into the future when you were never much of a human to begin with.
     
  17. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    Do you honestly believe he is taking succesful pre war society, removing the fatal flaws etc?

    What he says and what he does are two seperate things. How can he remove the flaws if he is a human just like us, a human with flaws.

    If you pay attention you notice that he has got sexual urges and the way kings had to be destroyed? It is stupid to say the least. Sure, the kings are the gang but they actually try to keep freeside somehow peaceful and the king himself is mostly trying to get NCR out of Freeside. They do need tempering and control, which can be achieved without spread of blood. You can ask a king a favour and he will listen to it, as long as it is not to outrageous. And if they don't listen, show them who is boss and if they further persist annihilate them. You don't have to destroy them at the gecko because they don't fight NCR anymore.

    Yes man is a robot, a machine. He does not have human emotions, urges and flaws. He will most likely run hundreds of predictions to do the best for the Mojave, even when you help him, he does similar things House would do.

    Absolute power, isn't that a tyranny like a legion? If house actually invested in areas beyond strip like westside or freeside, I would help him, but he does not. And the mod ending doesn't count as far as I am aware.
     
  18. mrchaos

    mrchaos Super Orc

    Nov 14, 2015
    Oh yeah, westside, forgot that place. Does House even bother helping anyone?
     
  19. Ediros

    Ediros A Smooth-Skin

    Feb 4, 2016
    Strip, Primm, Goodsprings, areas that will give him more money. Outside of that I can't really remember either.
     
  20. Theinnerfish

    Theinnerfish Storytelling skeleton

    Jul 25, 2015
    While it's true that everyone expects you do everything for them. Legion quests were rarely "we can't solve this without you!".

    Also if you make a very blank walk-through with minimum side questing and being utterly passive in some of the main quest, the end slides show almost every thing goes as Caesar planned. Hanlon keeps on sabotaging, President gets killed, Fiends take over, Railroad gets blown up etc. Though the player decides who wins the last battle ; game somehow indicates it'd probably be Legion if not for the courier.