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There is a slight distinction. Console RPGs are dumbed down cRPGs; mostly due to control issues. A good example of this is the changes from Morrowind to Oblivion. Either that or they are JRPGs. I've been using "console RPGs" descriptively, not necessarily to mean a totally separate genre. We've...

Arbitrary distinction. Arguably, everything you do in Half-Life is what Gordon would do. You can do things Gordon wouldn't do, like jump off a cliff, but you can do things in role playing games your character wouldn't do as well. You can shoot barrels to explode enemies instead of...

vs. "No, then I'll lose Karma." Discuss.

This definition is overly broad, it applies to all computer games with a character. Further, by now we can conclude that the term "RPG" is not a useful distinction for anything.

In response to OP's intended topic: Yeah the story sucks. Totally utilitarian. The genre discussion we are having is interesting because Fallout 3 is basically an Action Adventure game, except with RPG "doodads" tacked on. There's no reason stats couldn't be nonnumeric (i.e. novice...

Have you ever seen a JRPG strat guide?

Mario gets a mushroom and levels up graphically. Link gets a new suit or armor and levels up graphically. Numerals make RPGs otherwise every computer based game is an RPG.

Roleplaying video games, by description, are games that don't hide the numbers from the player. [Edit] To allow for things like Civilization I should add roleplaying games also feature one or more avatars that are intended to represent the player within the game.

Huh, maybe I should give The Witcher a try. Anyway, it has also just occurred to me that the success of Fallout 3 makes it much more likely that a Fallout Online game will receive the large start up capital necessary for development. Beth basically refreshed the series and now a real Fallout...

Something many of you are aware of and worth discussing is the measureable commercial success of Fallout 3. For details see here. In spite of the fact Fallout 3 doesn't live up to our expectations as a Fallout sequel, it seems many more people out there like it for what it is. I discuss it...

The point about the world you enter seeming larger than your own quest is an important one. It seemed like Megaton had as many residents as my vault birthday party.

I almost completely agree. Fallout 2 is a better game though, it is basically Fallout 1 with a campier tone (Road Warrior vs. Thunderdome). Fallout 3 is very good at what it does, but being an RPG isn't one of them. The stats system is flimsy at best; the world feels static and intentional, even...

You know, I've visited for a while now, but I just couldn't bring myself to register on forums for decade old games.

The quickest way I can think of to make a game morally ambiguous is to make quests that end in negative repercussions no matter how you solve them. Each player would simply think they choose the wrong answer/path until replay, when they realize that a game can actually be designed that makes you...

Mods... sorry for the breach of conduct.. and, btw, the term "warez" went out of style in the 90s.

This is my review of the graphically impressive yet soul crushingly shallow game: Fallout 3. My uniquely articulated thoughts on the game: 1. Graphics. DC Mall and real world locations lovingly reproduced and rendered in impressive 3D engine. Seriously, if this game was only a simulated...