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    Fallout 3: How much do you want it?

    If it was anybody's DUTY, how do you explain FT and a console game instead of an F3 and a seeming possibility for an F3 done as first person shooter? Think! In five or so years not even a Fallout 2 expansion pack a la Throne of Bhaal for BG2!
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    Fallout 3: How much do you want it?

    Everyone seems to be thinking along the lines of a standard commercial release. I am talking about something different: Assume that Bethesda or whoever releases another commercial product and it bears no resemblance to the Fallout game that the fanbase wants. What do you do then? Consider...
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    Fallout 3: How much do you want it?

    Forget Bethesda for the moment, Goweigus. Assume (purely theoretically) that F3 would be done by people, who understand Fallout setting, specifically for Fallout fans and for nobody else. How deep would your pockets be for something like that?
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    Fallout 3: How much do you want it?

    OK, there has been talk of the Fallout-3 for over five years now. It seems that the Fallout fans are getting their chain jerked by the game developers. The usual excuse is marketing and economics. I chanced to look at the NMA member list and saw 10,600 registered users, so I got curious to see...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Sander, you knew Tim? To those that don't know, he led a DIY punk rock music collective in the San Fran Bay area. He had a great collection of indie-garage music from the sixties and scores of fringe type intellectuals. The colective lives on even after his death, though it became more...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Sander, realism does not make fiction dated. Just look at Hemingway/ For Whom the Bell Tolls is still rlevant today and describes covert ops realities today as it was back in the 1930's. That's why FICTION stories like Somerset Maugham's Ashenden, the British Agent was requird reading at the OSS...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Morpoggel, what makes any fiction great is the paradox of the "untrue truths". What Hemingway writes may be untrue in that it never happened but Hemingway writes about real life and people and what he says in his writing about life still holds true today. That's why his fiction never gets dated...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Granted, Fallout is fiction, but it doesn't mean that it can't be realistic. I like and want realism, that's what I want as a consumer and my wants are as valid as yours, except that it may weigh more in the end because I probably have more buck$$$$ than you and could probably pay more for the...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    T-bolt, I realize the realities of the game the likelihood of the sequel, still it doesn't hurt to wish for something, does it? While Black Isle Studio was still in business, I sent them a four or five page letter outlining some of the improvements that could be made to the world map. I never...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    T-Bolt, I stand corrected. Sander, get your hands on the US Army Manual calleed Effects Of Nuclear Weapons, should be declassified by now, play with those engineering formulas, plug in yield in Megatons, see the size of the crater. Pretty small, given the size of devastation, eh? Especially...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    T-Bone, we are talking gametime here, not real time. I am talking about proportion of playtime spent traveling across desolation versus amoutn of time spent interacting with the other people/societies. I didn't say anything about homesteads, or that people wouldn't cluster togethe for survival...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Wastelands are never empty, nor are they even WASTED. I love hiking railroad tracks along the industrial blight and past ruined factories. I been to the deserts of the southwest where Fallout takes place. Precisely because of the emptiness of the place, any camp and any trail stands out like a...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    I already said, never mind an unlimited map, let it be a small and limited topographic map designed by creative guys with light pens. Forget about massive amounts of software. Why the 1000 yard shot? because they change the atmosphere of the game. It's not the 1000 yard shot, but if the outdoor...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Sander, today's computers can scan and classify fingerprints, they can stimulate flight in real time,and they can direct machines to design their own tools to make products that it was directed to make. With all this being possible, I think that it is quite possible to make a game which makes...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Sander, you sound like an apologist for the corporate numbers crunchers who took over the gaming companies and kept F3 from happening. You spend more time thinking how it couldn't be done than vice versa. Did I say that it has to be Ai that does it? Sure, a staff of human developers can create a...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Agreed, 1000 yd shots have no place in RPGs about messainic desert wanderers. Sander, there is more to a CRPG design than algorithms. If a digitized topographic map has a set of terrain type values coded into it that topographic map software recognizes, then you can write a translator package...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Sander: In the real world time and geography are the limiting factors. You can make them so in a CRPG as well. Fallout One did with the Waterchip. I completed F2 when it first came out and did not die once. By the Interface I mean how the world is presented in the game - what the map looks like...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Yes, it was. I wanted more realistic wilderness exploration for F3, and the almighty Sander here decreed that this is impossible given the state of modern technology, which I find hard to believe, with all the virtual reality first person shooter games and te humongous amounts of processing...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Sander, as a conosseur I can appreciate a good RPG. Any RPG needs a story in which characters participate. Tactics had a stronger storyline than F2. Good RPG also needs conflict. Without pressure there is no motion forward in the story, and exploration and character development without...
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    Wilderness Search Realism for Fallout 3

    Agreed, RPGs are GAMES and not reality, however, if you look at any CRPG, whether BG or the Fallout series, the only way to develop your charcater is through "experience points" and those get accumulated via COMBAT, not to mention all the loot and gear taken off the dead enemies. So, all popular...
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