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I know the dynasty's over and all that, but I hope we haven't fallen so far as to be competing with the bucs and 'hawks, now. Get back to me when pats are bottom 3 in points allowed -- then maybe I'll give a rat's ass. that's how they actually keep score in the nfl --- points. not dvoa...

To be fair about it, if bucs fans could only comment on worse teams sander would have to stop posting in this thread entirely. he's entitled to his hyperbolic opinions. Pats defense could use. Some work, but to say it's the worst in the nfl is ridiculous, and it wasn't so much the issue in...

don't you worry about it -- belichick will draft us a couple db's. same as every year.

Are these new thursday night games going to be on thursday or saturday night?

btw, they won enough games that year, just not the right ones. 2 afc teams made the playoffs with 11 wins.

all I'm saying is you're being kind of retarded with this characterization of the giants as some .500 team that got 'lucky'. on the surface of it, there was pretty much universal agreement that the top of the nfc consisted of 3 teams -- green bay, new orleans, and san fran. you say they were...

ok, let's stop this kind of nonsense right now. the giants aren't some random halfass team that muddled through anything and were handed their division. they won 9 games --- which is enough to make the playoffs most years.......except 2008........ they already beat the patriots this year...

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ok, if it will make you feel better I'm gonna cry about it tonight for a couple hours.

yeah, and how many games did they win? I'd say gronk has somewhat less impact than tom brady, and they won a few games before they ever drafted him. you just focus on the negative, but I look at the positive -- like the guys who were out during the year that will hopefully contribute this...

Because he's one guy out of 45 guys. Gronk throwing suggs to the ground was pretty awesome, though

well, it's still early in the week and he just came out of the boot. he'll play, it's just a question of how well, and I'm not too worried about it.

I heard marshall got edged out for mvp by a tire hanging from a rope.

....and nobody playing defense.

baltimore hired another coach

thx for jinxing us you fuck/ personally, I think the giants are a really well coached team with a lot of really great players who...., etc.

Kind of hard to slide downward when you're already at the bottom of the hill.

yeah, why should winning games or making plays matter? all I know is all week long all I've heard is how the worst defense in the league was going up against the best defense from the only good division in football --- after all, baltimore and pitt were the top 2 teams in the afc because of...

yeah, he sux.......

I'm still hammered from 7 hours ago, it's actually raining at 11p in chicago in january, and the pats are in, like, their 5th superbowl i 10 years. I love all u nfl fans, and if you're not a pats fan u just don't know what you're missing!!!!!!!!!!! ALL HAIL BALTIMORE!!!!