¿¿¿ MIR ??? warning rant

Ugly John

Ugly John

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Why are they dropping that piece of junk down here instead of sending it in space?
They are not even sure where it's going to touch down. Yeah in the Pacific Ocean, good estimate!!

Why hello there where do you live ? North America.!!

Russia even took a 300 Million u$ insurance "in case".
They want to study space junk falling, is that it? Why don't they just turn it into a magnet and collect as much debris as they can and then aim at themself with it? There is already too much crap floating around the earth , now they are going to burn MIR in re-entry, how much more crap from MIR will rebound back into orbit?

My answer take the guys who tought of this idea to make it burn send them into MIR and send them flying into space, to "study the effect of dying in space instead of sending a 300 ton piece of crap in the Pacific Ocean. And i bet they are going to miss the Pacific those Morons.


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>Why are they dropping that piece
>of junk down here instead
>of sending it in space?
>
>They are not even sure where
>it's going to touch down.
>Yeah in the Pacific Ocean,
>good estimate!!
>
>Why hello there where do you
>live ? North America.!!

Well Japan is the last nation it will fly over before crashing. I don't think MIR has enough fuel to blast it out of orbit.. it's always easier to send it down into Earth..

That $300 Million insurance is kind of suspicious though.

-Xotor-

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>Russia even took a 300 Million
>u$ insurance "in case".
>They want to study space junk
>falling, is that it? Why
>don't they just turn it
>into a magnet and collect
>as much debris as they
>can and then aim at
>themself with it? There is
>already too much crap floating
>around the earth , now
>they are going to burn
>MIR in re-entry, how much
>more crap from MIR will
>rebound back into orbit?

Hmm, call me stupid, but I fail to understand what are you so angry about. Is it because burning Mir in atmosphere will cause more junk on orbit (how is that)? Or is it because you are not sure Mir will fall in the Pacific Ocean? You are afraid it will hit the land? Please state more clearly what is the problem you have, and less emotions this time.

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My bone is i hate people who do things halfway.

They are aiming at the Pacific Ocean but they still say that Parts might reach Chile or Peru. So in other words it might just crash on populated areas.
On the re-entry breaking-off parts might skip on the athmosphere and go back up wreaking havok up there.
Have you seen a graph of all the space junk that's floating in orbit? And they can only track parts wich are 10cm or bigger so nuts and bolts are flying up there at very high velocity. And even worse some of this junk are broken down satellite leaking fluid. So in orbit there are clouds of these droplets of fluid traveling at very high velocity. Even water at these velocity when they hit, they hit like a brick wall. When is going to be the first death in space walk because of space debris? Soon.

Before we talk of staying in orbit in the new space station shouldn't we clean it up to make it safer? (i'm like a reverse ecologist i care about space).

Speaking of space stations didn,t skylab end up in Australia? That would have been funny if it had fallen on the USA.

Couple of years back, French goverment lauches a satellite, days after it's launch they lose contact with it. Thay claim to sabotage since it was a military satellite. The british were able to determine what had happen : The satelitte was hit by space junk and mother nature is not without a sense of irony it was French space junk that hit them. Now they have a fluid-leaking-defective-couple-million-dollars-piece-of-junk-in-orbit that they can claim as theirs. Furthermore that collision created more space junk. hahaha.

My point is just send MIR in deep space or in Washinton DC where it wont bother anyone. And hey if it's in space it might just make contact with other civilisation (Then crash on their planet and cause intergalactic war that we are going to lose and become slaves to Kang and his accomplice until we create the nail in a wooden plank weapon).
I'm just worried about the 300M$ insurance policy. Shit they are aiming at the biggest water mass on earth and they are not even sure to hit. It's like shooting an elephant in a corridor.
And i'm not so sure that sending a 300 ton piece of aluminium and titanium hurling back to earth is such a good idea.


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Part of the United States' government spending went to the Star Wars program. The Star Wars program is designed to both serve as a threat from outer space, and to defend from threats from outer space. Part of this program was to build a ground-based laser that could knock missiles out of the sky before they could hit the US. They finished this laser system, I think it was in San Francisco.

What I'm saying is why couldn't we use this laser to knock out all the traceable space debris? Obviously, the space debris is dangerous, and we have the technology, so why not? Hell, we might even take Mir out as well.

Btw, how did you get the upside down "?" ?

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You weren't listening. I'm well aware of the problem with space junk, and so are the astronauts (including those who visited/lived on Mir). A shard of paint is extremely dangerous when it hits the illuminator. You can't build a laser to destroy all space junk like paint shards etc., and i doubt it's possible at all to clean out the orbit.

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¿¿¿¿ spanish keyboard mi Amigo. cañon ¡¡¡
J'ai aussi en français : été, grève etc

So thats my trick

As for why i m pissed off it s because i think that re-entry is a stupid move.


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Wait a minute. You complain about screws flying around the planet and how satelites create more space junk, but then you go and say that you don't want Mir to re-enter? That doesn't make sense.

BTW, that $300M insurance policy is just that: insurance. Do you think any insurance company in the world would provide a policy that expensive unless there was a very low chance that something would go wrong? I certainly doubt it. However, it won't hurt Russia to have it, just in case.
 
I think it's kinda stupid they abandon the MIR. I don't get why they hooked up with the ISS in the first place. From what I hear on the news Russia needs every penny they can get their hands on to get the country back on it's feet.
Apart from that only the problem the mir had was a lack of maintainance.

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>Wait a minute. You complain
>about screws flying around the
>planet and how satelites create
>more space junk, but then
>you go and say that
>you don't want Mir to
>re-enter? That doesn't make
>sense.

My point is that in re-entry small pieces will ricochet off the athmosphere and make even more space junk.

>BTW, that $300M insurance policy is
>just that: insurance. Do
>you think any insurance company
>in the world would provide
>a policy that expensive unless
>there was a very low
>chance that something would go
>wrong? I certainly doubt
>it. However, it won't
>hurt Russia to have it,
>just in case.

BTW Loyd's of London will pretty much insure anything, almost no mather what the risks might be. The more risky the insurance the more pricy the premiums will be.

You don't think that sending a 300 ton piece of titanium/aluminium alloy hurling back to earth is not risky?
Okayyyy!


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>I think it's kinda stupid they
>abandon the MIR. I don't
>get why they hooked up
>with the ISS in the
>first place. From what I
>hear on the news Russia
>needs every penny they can
>get their hands on to
>get the country back on
>it's feet.
>Apart from that only the problem
>the mir had was a
>lack of maintainance.

Large countries have this thing about maintaining their space and nuclear programs even if that funding could be better used somewhere else. The ISS itself is a big waste of money, as it nearly every space flight aside from ones that put useful satellites up into space.

It's funny that nobody complained when Motorola sent their Iridium satellites in for reentry.

-Xotor-

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>BTW Loyd's of London will
>pretty much insure anything, almost
>no mather what the risks
>might be. The more risky
>the insurance the more pricy
>the premiums will be.
>
>You don't think that sending a
>300 ton piece of titanium/aluminium
>alloy hurling back to earth
>is not risky?
>Okayyyy!

But the Earth is pummeled with even larger chunks of iron-nickle asteroids and other debries all the time, only this time now we know roughly where it will land.

Also we're not talking about a solid 300 ton block hurtling down towards Earth. This this is relatively hollow structure which will make it burn up easier in the atmosphere.

Hmm.. at $10,000 a pound to raise something in space, Russia must have spent at least $6,000,000,000 just to lift that piece of space-junk up there.. what a waste.

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The economy and power monopolists are on command positions, they make the decisions. Why did they passed on making the money? My guess is that they are not sure in stability of situation and, as Russians say, they prepare to "motat' udochki" (ready to pack their belongings). Space station is a big responsibility, you don't want to invest money if you are not sure what will happen tomorrow.

My guess is that monopolists believe something big is brewing in near future.

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I don't rmember who but the ISS was brought up and I just wanted to mentiond something of interest I had heard.

Apparently the designs for that thing are decades old(the original ones). They have been trying to get funding for that thing for a very long time and during that ime new technologies became available. Instead of taking the old designs for the thing and scaping them and just re-designing the thing form scratch using the new technologies.... they instead just kept adding new sections to the old design as time progressed. So what they are building now is apparently a pile of motley sections designed at different times and just stuck together.
I don't know abut you guys but that does not inspire me with confidence. If they are going to spend all that money I would have hoped they would at least build something more up to date.

Then again I am not a space engineer and that is only a rumor I heard ;}


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>But the Earth is pummeled with
>even larger chunks of iron-nickle
>asteroids and other debries all
>the time, only this time
>now we know roughly where
>it will land.
>
>Also we're not talking about a
>solid 300 ton block hurtling
>down towards Earth. This
>this is relatively hollow structure
>which will make it burn
>up easier in the atmosphere.

By their estimate, they say about 1500 pieces should touch down at aproximatly the speed of sound. The biggest of these pieces should be as large as volkswagen beetles. At that speed it could go thru at least 2 metres of solid concrete, maybe even more if it's pure titatnium and depending on the shape.

Last estimate of MIR's cost 1.5Billion U$ (seems low, gotta recheck my sources)


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