Ethnic Composition of D.C. (and Capital Wasteland)

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by Silencer, Sep 30, 2007.

  1. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    It occured to me that according to the 2005 Census, 57% of Washington, D.C. residents are blacks. Now, I don't have the 1950s data, and I won't go extrapolating this into a 2070's retrofuture to base my expectations for a Fallout Great Wartime D.C., but clearly we're looking at something different than California, which is something around 12% African American ratio, if I'm not mistaken.

    Do you think this will have any bearing on the game's NPCs? Will we be seeing more African American faces over there? Sheriff Simms seems to say yes.

    Also, what should it look like if we apply the Falllout-world history? Were African Americans a majority in D.C. in 1950s too (I know this ratio peaked around the 1970s)? Furthermore, would they be likely to be the ones tht reached the relative safety of large underground Vaults to survive the bombings (remember, retro-racist-fifties!)?

    Lastly, I'm a bit curious: What was the real-world reason for this ethnic composition forming? Was it that D.C. had a special legal status and could accomodate freed/escaped slaves more easily in the XIX century than the actual States?
     
  2. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    It's hard to say, because Fallout seemed to avoid inside human race racial issues altogether.
     
  3. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    I guess that's because it pitted Supermutants against normies and primes against wastelanders, so in face of that a petty squabble over the colour of ones skin was laughable.

    Also, I don't think the Den Slave Guild discriminated against that.

    I don't quite think all this an important issue, but if one was to make the setting all the way plausible, I would expect to see some shift.
     
  4. fallout ranger

    fallout ranger Vault Dweller

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    Sep 18, 2004
    I think they will adress the topic of race more in F03.

    Proof
     
  5. TheManFromIowa

    TheManFromIowa First time out of the vault

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    Mar 2, 2008
    Considering their origins in Washington D.C., I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of nod, or presence of the Black Panthers somehow.
     
  6. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    Black Panthers? In the fifties?
     
  7. Pretentious

    Pretentious First time out of the vault

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    Feb 3, 2008
    Remember that the more "civilized" wastelanders tended to have prejudices against the tribals. And unless the PC ran around with obvious tribal jewelry they probably based their identification of tribals on the same things most people base races or at least nationality on today.

    Maybe the tribals VS the "civilized" is more of an example of conflicting cultures and societies and not of racism but im unsure.
     
  8. TheManFromIowa

    TheManFromIowa First time out of the vault

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    Mar 2, 2008
    Not the actual Black Panthers, I was saying if we'd see any sort of racial issues going on besides stuff like Super Mutants and stuff, I wouldn't be surprised to see something somewhat similar.
     
  9. Hotel California

    Hotel California Mildly Dipped

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    Feb 6, 2005
    If I remember correctly every single one of the slavers guild was the basic Leather Armour guy - which is to say white...
     
  10. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
     
  11. Stag

    Stag Guest

    Which could simply have been a technological limitation, no? There weren't very many black models in the game, anyway.
     
  12. Ravager69

    Ravager69 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 21, 2007
    From what I recall, there are many ghetto's in DC where lots of black folks live and this city has big crime ratio. Dunno why, though.
     
  13. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    Ghettos.
     
  14. Hotel California

    Hotel California Mildly Dipped

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    Feb 6, 2005
    Ah thats bolsch. There were plenty of different models...

    There isn't really any racial issues here, or in most parts of FO2 - the two gangs in the Den both had their black guys and there are plenty of important black characters running big important things: Lynette, The Sheriff in Redding, Mayor Ascorti...
     
  15. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
    I'm pretty sure there are only black guys in vault suits, metal armor and the red shirt 'civilians' (like Jo in Modoc).
    Lynette doesn't really count since she's unique.
    Come to think of it, I have no recollection of any black females apart from her. Tandi's head was, but not her model.

    I'm not saying there really is an issue, just pointing out that it's the same 2½ models used over and over again.
     
  16. Stag

    Stag Guest

    Certainly not 1 in 10, is it? I don't know. It doesn't really matter.

    What does matter, what my point is, is this: Bethesda doesn't care about black people.
     
  17. Ashmo

    Ashmo Half-way Through My Half-life
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    Jul 2, 2004
    Tandi was black? I thought she was just very dark-tanned?

    Then again, what do I know. Us Germans are pretty damn ignorant about who is what.
     
  18. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    Tandi was of Indian (not Native American, Indian) descent, she wasn't black.
     
  19. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    I kno', Woozy, although the question is "Why did the slaves go to Washington out of all places?".

    He meant when *catching* slaves ;)
     
  20. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
    Indians aren't black?
    Most I've seen look more african than middle-eastern or asian.
    I've only been to southern India though and I imagine it could be different in the north.
    Also, eye of the beholder and all that.