Lack of cults

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Quagmire69, Apr 3, 2011.

  1. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    Thier seemed to be lack of cults in New Vegas with the exeption of the Legion worshiping Mars, to bad you did'nt get see to much of it though. It seems like they had the least of all the fallout series, 1: unityc bramin worshipers, 2 Scientology reamagined, tribal religion, 3 Chuch of Atom, PL tribals, Swampfolk. Whats with the last of post apocaliptic religion?
     
  2. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010
    Well Las Vegas has never been a place of worship, except for those quick marriage chapels. It makes sense that the post apocalyptic wouldn't have any religion in the area.
     
  3. Tremer

    Tremer It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 5, 2010
    The Bright Brotherhood and davison and the others super mutant in REPCONN Test Site and the legion.
     
  4. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    I think you're defining cult too narrowly, Quagmire. The Kings would be an example of a cult.
     
  5. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    What about the Kings? they think the School of Impersonation was a religious temple.
     
  6. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    I wouldn't consider the Kings are a gang, the bright brotherhood are just a bunch of desperate ghouls, who are fleeing earth because unlike the capital wasteland the mutants are losing the war in the Mojave, and with antler and the mutants that's just because they have gone insane due to stealth boy use.
     
  7. Korin

    Korin So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
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    Aug 6, 2010
    Who were the Brahmin worshippers? I don't remember that at all.
     
  8. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite

    Jul 26, 2003
    Errr....

    Yeah, that. No offense. I can see how one might count out Antler's nightkin and possibly the kings (who posess many of the devotional and ideological trappings of a cult but don't particularly play up the role), but the Bright Brotherhood? They're the out-and-out definition of a cult: a group of people in dire straits, turning to one particularly charismatic leader for solace, following his dictums, united by his ideology, and working in faith towards his goals. They walk around in robes, they mostly keep to themselves in one secluded corner of the wasteland, and they even speak in high-flung ceremonious terminology ("The means by which we are going to make the journey into the great beyond are an article of faith and not to be discussed with outsiders?" I'm paraphrasing, but what about that doesn't scream "cult?")
     
  9. The Inquisitor

    The Inquisitor First time out of the vault

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    Mar 31, 2011
    Well, as someone who studies sociology of religion (at the moment), I can think of quite a few examples of religious organizations in the Mojave Wasteland. I don't think that from a sociological perspective supernatural belief is a necessary component of religious worship (the Raelians, for example, do not IRL have any supernatural components in their beliefs but they are still considered as a religious movement), but even then the Bright Brotherhood fit the bill on that count too.

    I would say it's definitely possible to consider the Kings as a church. From a Weberian perspective you have a (somewhat) charismatic leader whose word is law. They have a clear, shared moral identity and an organizational structure. Whether gangs can be considered as religious organizations in general is an interesting question in its own right, but I would say that in their focus on emulation the Kings have a characteristic which goes beyond normal 'gangs' in religious terms.

    The Nightkin are certainly tricker; I would probably not instinctively class Davison as being a religious leader. On the other hand, "insanity" is by no means mutually exclusive with religion. Weber's charismatics are often "insane" to secular eyes.

    The Legion is to me a clear example of a this-worldly sect.
     
  10. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Now you are just making up stuff. It's made clear in the game that the Bright Brotherhood is attempting to leave earth because of the discrimination against ghouls, not because "the mutants are losing the war in the Mojave". Mutants and ghouls have never been at war in the Mojave so I really don't know what you are trying to say.
     
  11. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    There was a Mutant war in DC? I tought the BOS were just doing some target practice on some orcs, I didn't see any direct confrontation between Ghouls and humans of enough scale to be called a war, yeah the tenpenny tower events don't constitue a war.
     
  12. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    I'd call it an unofficial war. The humans of the Mojave are slowly clearing out the mutants of the area both super and ghoul.
     
  13. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010
    Really? Name one part of the game where there is evidence of clearing out mutants. Mercs attack Jacobstown, but thats about it. Ghouls are part of the NCR Rangers, and while they may still be discriminated against in some parts, they aren't being cleared out.
     
  14. DarthBartus

    DarthBartus It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 11, 2011
    Ghouls aren't Rangers (or at least I haven't met any, apart from mutated NCR Troops from Camp Searchlight). Anyways, there is no 'war', not even 'unofficial' one. It's just that mutants can't procreate (all human mutants from Fallout are sterile) and they obviously die at much faster pace than new ones are created (especially Super Mutants, as there are no more FEV sources available (and very powerful sources of radiation necessary to create ghouls are a rarity)). Though I'm not sure if any mutants died from being old...
     
  15. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    Its implied in several parts of the game. Talk to meansonofabitch. Or talk to marcus. Its implied that the bright brotherhood are fleeing, because its a hostile place for thier kind.
     
  16. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    And they are doing it because there are SMs (probably nightkins) that are attacking brahmin cattle caravans in the area, so it's not like they are doing it out of hate or something.

    There are always three ghoul rangers at Ranger Station Echo, for example.
     
  17. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    80% of Rangers I've met so far are ghouls.
    Aside from the one "smoothskin Ranger" you meet at the Hoover Dam, in the final battle, almost all others were ghouls.
     
  18. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    There are various Ghoul in Veteran ranger armor in Camp GOlf and other stations, juts talk to them and they will greet you with a Ghoul Voice.
     
  19. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Weird, the only ghoul rangers I remember meeting where those in Ranger Station Echo and...maybe one or two somewhere else. Too bad that they are all unnamed NPCs, it could have been interesting.
     
  20. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 17, 2011
    This may sound kind of creepy but i thought the ghoul girl in jacobs town was hot.