Most annoying Fallout 1/2 plot holes.....

Thought F2 had way too much "tech".

We had Vault City, NCR, BOS, working cars, vertibirds, shit, etc.

I mean the shi were selling PA at the shops to anyone with the cash (shakes head).

It jsut seemed like almost every faction could "rule" a patch of California which reminds me of civilization coming back. I didn't like the idea very much.

The only ones to have the best techo should have remained with the BOS and the enclave.

Most folks here hated the temple of trials.

How the shi were not just wiped out for the sake of being communist chinese.

 

I think you mean Vault 13…

 

Was the BOS that appealing to your character or to you? I think it makes sense for him to try and start something himself elsewhere, out of the reach of others. Each location in Fallout is tied to your character via death and problems and corruption. You'd want to flee from that for good at some point.

 

Them tribals have always annoyed me too, I mean I can understand that if they end up being an isolated community, it's completely understandable that they lose the knowledge of some modern techs and stuff, but still it's pretty unlikely that they descend for the residents of an ultra-hi-tech vault to a bunch of spear swinging herb-eating sun-worshipping tribals in only 80 years, if never.

 

Well, while their traveling, they could have picked up other people who are a bunch of spear swinging herb-eating sun-worshipping tribals from the beginning.

 

I agree that the temple of trial was annoying, but making it through the temple or trial is what makes you stand out of the others thus becoming the chosen one thats why they rely on you.

And I don't think you can just go to the BoS and demand help.

 

For being one of the most well-written games of all time, Fallout 2 certainly did a poor job of continuing the narrative from Fallout 1, in my opinion. Someday I'll unleash my version.

 

In general I like Fallout 2 a lot, but personally I would not have made Arroyo a tribal village.
Not a high tech place either but rather something like a survivalist community.

Houses made of wood or salvaged bricks and mortar, with a low level vibe but not on a tribal level.
More that the people know of stuff like electricity and computers but simply have no access to these or in a very limited degree.

Perhaps a little like Shady Sands in Fallout 1.

They wouldn't worship Brahmin but these would be very important to them, as would be agriculture for food and medicine, and the hunting grounds for gecko's and other creatures which products they can use or sell on.

 

That's something I've thought by myself too; they would have taken some hi-tech stuff when they left the vault so they had the knowledge of them, but after they broke down the Vault Dwellers would have been left with just some basic items like tools, clothes and maybe a few firearms. As decades passed, the idea of the Vault would have become something mythical, but that wouldn,t giev them a reason to worship it or nothing. The Arroyo should be a simple community with only a few modern items like guns, limited contact to the outside world, the residents would be very skillful survivors who respected their past, but still something more than a bunch of spear swinging herb-eating sun-worshipping tribals.

 

80 years is a pretty long time, though.

without shops, ammo stores, a constant supply of things (even things to fix other things with), a seed store to grow crops, water purification systems, lack of hygiene and medicine, ...

oh man

a village starting from scratch and fueled mainly by what they were able to scavenge, why a village like that would degrade back to the stone age within a couple of years, I'm sure. if it weren't to die out completely before that happens.

humans always overestimate themselves. what would have been nice, though, if the scenery had included some objects from the world you get to see later on. a billboard that is revered or a couple of carwrecks that were used to fortify the village even though the inhabitants have lost the knowledge of what they are. stuff like that.

tribals were an intelligent choice on the part of the developers, methinks.

 

I cannot decide whether this is a plot hole or not, it did not bother me at all.

Also it put some diversity in the game in a way.

 

I dont think it qualifies as polothole.

A plot hole for me is a clear contradiction to the story. Like in Fallout 3 where you get to the purifer with a ghoul / supermutant which are imune to radiation but you cant send them in to do the job on the computer cause ? Exactly ... bethesda wanted to make sacrifice the topic of the game. No matter the cost.

I doubt Fallout 1 or 2 had really that much plot holes. Its more that Fallout 2 had many places and situations that didnt fit the setting. Like new reno and its 30s gangster style. Or the Chinese and their "empire" in San Francisco. But that still doestn mean it are bad locations. New Reno has some nice quests and probably is showing pretty nicely the choice and concequence thing. But thats my oppinion.

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Also what A'lec said

 

@Tagaziel

The thing is the Shi are communists. The enclave are the remnants of the US pre-war government. How they did not have a huge fight I don't understand. Especially since the president believe the red launched first.

 

The Shi are Chinese but they are not communists. And why would the Enclave get in a big fight with them? The Enclave wanted to wipe them out with their virus along with all the others.

 

I guess your right when it comes to the virus wiping out everyone on in the US. But wasn't the Shi descendants of a chinese nuclear submarine that got beached?

 

This doesn't make the location communistic.

 

My problem with Arroyo isn't that they are tribals, but that they are spirit-worshipping tribals. The Vault Dweller lived in Arroyo for 40 years and the FO2 Elder is her daughter, so...why does she act like that? It was the VD himself that steered the tribe in that diretion?

 

There are some inconsistencies in the original games, though. You should pick on New Reno, for instance. That's a classic.