smaller fonts?

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 and New Vegas Modding' started by buckshot123, Oct 31, 2008.

  1. buckshot123

    buckshot123 First time out of the vault

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    Oct 31, 2008
    looking good! but i must admit i am still having a problem with the font size - still too big no?

    you are not using any custom fonts are you? i think that's when the problem appears, at first i thought i messed up something, but then nirok reported the exact same thing :

    it is weird, i thought it was my imagination at first, but yes, it acually seems to occur more and more often :(
     
  2. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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    Nov 3, 2008
    Hmm. Sounds like some issues that existed in Oblivion as well. I don't recall why that happened. I had a report on this pretty recently. Will check.

    As for using a custom font:

    The text at the top where it says "ITEMS" and "Jenny Stahl" is the smallest font that ships with the game. Everything except for those two and the lower right buttons is using a new font (FranKleinMedium_16.fnt).
     
  3. buckshot123

    buckshot123 First time out of the vault

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    Oct 31, 2008
    aah, cool! so you did use a custom font without issues?
    hmmm, weird, did you include .dds versions of the font as well? the .dds files in textures.bsa are a little suspicious...

    ...heh, you wouldn't happen to have FranKleinMedium_10.fnt in your repertoir, would you? *hint,hint,nudge,nudge* ;)
     
  4. TheHologram

    TheHologram First time out of the vault

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    May 26, 2008
    Hey DarN. Welcome. Yeah, same nick on this and official forum.

    DDS seems useless other than a nice preview of whats in the font. You can export and convert dds from my tool but no real point.

    Love your UI and am looking forward to using it. Was using someone else's but I you have great attention to detail so bring it on.

    I think we ruled out that you needed powers of 2 last time around (512, 1024, ...) but I'm sure it can't hurt.
     
  5. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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    Didn't include any dds files. Wouldn't know how either. They display the font in what looks like a random shuffle. It reminded me of the hacking actually...

    Size 10 seems awfully small, but I'll whip one up for you shortly. :)

    They must have done some work on the font engine. All I do is load the font, select Ascent Metric, and we're golden:

    No pow2 or anything required I think.
     
  6. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    talk about a drastic improvement!

    now, how about those dialogue options? :P chop chop!
     
  7. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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    Already treated the dialog menu somehwhat. That was before I made any fonts though.

    Here's a quick test with font size 14:

    It gave me room for two more items in the lists. Ignore any resulting layout in the image - 'tis just a test right now. Still readable?

    If anyone feels like testing, the WIP thread is here.
     
  8. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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  9. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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    Theo:

    YPOS looks to be pretty close to actual font size for F3. Tested with size 10, 14 and 16. Came up with 10, 14.2 and 16 for YPOS.

    This is with FranKleinMedium

    edit: 12 = 12.1
     
  10. buckshot123

    buckshot123 First time out of the vault

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    Oct 31, 2008
    wooonderful! thank you darn!

    oooh, font generator 1.14? the latest i can find is theo's 1.13, not sure what nad02 is using but we're both having restart issues, and now we know it's nothing to do with the .dds files, could it be the generator? and now for the obvious question : is it available somewhere? ;)
     
  11. Nirok

    Nirok First time out of the vault

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    Nov 3, 2008
    How do you install these fonts, at teh moment I am using teh minimal UI mod which is great, however I hav to restart teh game numerous times, before all teh text in teh game is working properly. Does this smaller custom font have the same problem? Thanks for your help

    Edit:

    sorry i didnt see the WIP link
     
  12. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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    1.14 is a test version Theo made for me a while ago. It enables you to color the font directly without having to set the color in xml. Changes:
    Don't know if there are any undocumented features besides that, but the proggy works well here. If Theo doesn't mind, I could upload a version for you.

    I haven't noticed any issues, but then again I restart the game all the time while modding...
     
  13. TheHologram

    TheHologram First time out of the vault

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    May 26, 2008
    No problem. I dont intend to alter it any further if everything can be worked around. Heck I lost my harddrive earlier this year and I don t think I even have that release available only the 1.12 version (last known backup of that drive).
     
  14. buckshot123

    buckshot123 First time out of the vault

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    Oct 31, 2008
    great!
    darn, whenever you can find the time, i would be very grateful if you could create a dl link, PM or send me a mail or anything. (buckshot123[at]gmail.com).

    ...would be nice to know what's causing trouble :)
     
  15. DarN

    DarN First time out of the vault

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    Here's 1.14.

    Theo,

    IIRC, you attached the source with it. I could send it to you if you like.
     
  16. buckshot123

    buckshot123 First time out of the vault

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    Oct 31, 2008
    hah! voila! :shock:

    that did the trick!
    just tested 6 times with verdana_10 and verdana_14 without issues! sweet!
    thanks guys!!!
     
  17. Eternal

    Eternal Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 4, 2008
    I find this ironic as the 360 version, which I'm playing until I can upgrade my computer to be able to run FO3 (and Left 4 Dead... ;3), has font that feels too SMALL for ease in reading from a distance farther than you would on a computer screen.

    Also on another note, why does everyone use blue for their menus in the PC version? I prefer the classic green myself.