The ambiguously gay Legion

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by CourierAlex, Apr 13, 2011.

  1. CourierAlex

    CourierAlex First time out of the vault

    Feb 22, 2011
  2. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Aug 28, 2010
    Caesar had children, as well as having been married and having several female lovers. Plautus is right, Plutarch never said anything about him being gay, and his work is considered the most accurate sources about Caesars life, apart from Caesars own memoirs.
    And he was called the queen of Bithynia, not greece. And when was he ever raped?
  3. CourierAlex

    CourierAlex First time out of the vault

    Feb 22, 2011

    "Nicomedes IV was restored to his throne in Bithynia in 84 BC. The years that followed were relatively peaceful, though Bithynia came more and more under the control of Rome. In 80 BC, young Gaius Julius Caesar was an ambassador to Nicomedes IV's court. Caesar was sent to raise a fleet using Bithynia's resources, but he dallied so long with the King that a rumor of a homosexual relationship surfaced, leading to the disparaging title, "the Queen of Bithynia", an allegation which was made much of by Caesar's political enemies later in his life.[4]"
  4. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Mar 17, 2011
    I heard this on the history channel on a show called "ANCIENTS BEHAVING BADLY", followed by a show on underwater aliens, so the source may be questionable.
  5. Plautus

    Plautus Angry Preacher

    Nov 24, 2010
    Bythinia was a part of Asia Minor (Turkey) bordering the Black Sea. The Spartans had nothing to do with Caesar (the Doric League to which Sparta belonged was destroyed by the Delian League and Roman Republic quite some time earlier, turning Sparta into an ineffectual and minor power by the time Caesar came to power) and he was not raped by anybody, at least according to the ancient historians like Plutarch or Suetonius. "Ancients Behaving Badly" is notoriously inaccurate, so much so that it was canceled. Julius Caesar, despite some accusations of homosexuality in his younger years, maintained a strong reputation of military strength and virility (he slept with an incredible number of women during his time).
  6. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    I never got the gay vibe from the Legion, just that the chicks don't belong on the battlefield and thus were kept away from the frontlines to make/raise children and work.
  7. CourierAlex

    CourierAlex First time out of the vault

    Feb 22, 2011
    Military strength =/= to being straight.

    Just look at ancient Sparta or Athens.

    Scary tough dudes can still be gay.

    I know that one gay guy in the game will remark on how common being gay is in the Legion. There's him, Cassidy and the slave.... and probably a few others. A lot of different people in the game talk about this, more than enough to be an anomaly.
  8. vanzizzle

    vanzizzle It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Feb 15, 2010
    They weren't gay were they? They had wives and children didn't they? While being homoerotic.

    And people nowadays only really see the stereotypical gay, which gets conveyed as gay people being poofy and feminine, which obviously wasn't the case in history in most cases.
  9. Wintermind

    Wintermind Vault Senior Citizen

    Jan 21, 2011
    See, the thing is that the greeks in general (athenians more so, spartans less so) generally believed that women were useless and useful only for breeding. Men were the only thing worth a damn, so they fucked each other because men knew what was going on what was what. Greeks weren't 'gay', they were just so misogynistic as to believe that fucking women was under them.

    Spartans did not feel as much like this though this was somewhat a mix of necessity and the fact that only Spartan women produce Spartan men. No Athenian could produce a Spartan, so a Spartan Woman > Athenian anything.
  10. Hotpoint

    Hotpoint First time out of the vault

    May 24, 2009
    No, but maybe this should:


    Where can you find pleasure
    Search the wastes for treasure
    Discard most technology
    Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true
    Hoover Dam or the Big Empty
    Where you are trained to despise
    Flay as sport till skin flies
    Change the wastes geography
    Fight for Caesar’s Army
    Be a Frumentarii
    When you spy the NCR

    In the Legion
    Yes, you can march the Mojave
    In the Legion
    Yes, you can cut up flesh with ease
    In the Legion
    Come on now tribals, make a stand
    In the Legion
    We drive nails through your hand
    In the Legion
    Come on oppress the motherland
    In the Legion
    Come on enslave your fellow man
    In the Legion
    Come on now tribals make a stand
    In the Legion, in the Legion, In the Legion!


    Original Lyrics
    Original Song - YouTube
  11. Quagmire69

    Quagmire69 Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Mar 17, 2011
  12. The Suave Gambler

    The Suave Gambler First time out of the vault

    Feb 22, 2011
    Thats 1 of the things I like about NV, they have a ton of both racially and sexually adverse characters without having to go into a massive commentary on it. This is the very thing that keeps these characters grounded in reality; because even in the non-great-war present day we live in there really isn't a lot of openly racist/homophob individuals. This should be especially true in a time where humanity is just trying to scrape itself back together after damn near destroying the planet. In a time like that no one would have the time to discriminate against one an other because of personal life choices or color, it would be all politics.

    Unfortunately for the story writers som1 at Bethesda made the writer turn the Legion frm a Emperor Qin-style (hostile takeover for the greater good) into a Nazi superior race/mentality sort of thing to make them "eviler". I say this because the issue of unequal gender rights is so clearly blatant in the story it seems alien to the rest of the complex politic issues in NV.