war on terrorism - score card

welsh

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Ok, so how is the war on terrorism doing?

Is finding Osama kind of like "where's waldo?"

Here's a news flash-
Al-Qaeda

Still out there

Jan 8th 2004
From The Economist print edition
http://www.economist.com/opinion/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2330153

Some victories have been won in the West's war against al-Qaeda. But the danger persists

LIKE a pantomime villain, the man who is once again the world's most wanted fugitive has re-appeared on the global stage just when it looked as if the plot might be taking a turn for the better. Another taped rant against Crusaders, Zionists and apostate Muslim rulers, purportedly delivered by Osama bin Laden, reminded America and its allies that the enemy who preoccupied them before the war in Iraq remains bent on their downfall. The cancellation and delay of flights to the United States from France, Britain and Mexico has also helped to deflate the festive optimism brought on by Saddam Hussein's capture. Ditto this week's introduction of what in bygone times would have seemed draconian security measures at American airports, rows about whether planes should carry armed guards, and worries about “dirty” bombs. And from Iraq to Israel, Istanbul to Islamabad, growing numbers of people are blowing themselves up for fanatical ends (see article).

In fact, the ongoing disruption to international air travel contains good news as well as bad. It suggests that western intelligence services have a handle on the plots the terrorists are hatching. At the same time, the inconvenience caused to passengers, and the disagreement among governments that have resulted, point up the havoc that terrorists can cause, even if those plots are scotched or spectral. In a similar sort of way, the war against al-Qaeda as a whole offers both good and bad news, progress and peril. It is likely to stay that way: this is not a war that can be ended by toppling a statue.

The view from the White House, and from the caves
With the pride that can go before a fall, George Bush's administration regularly and confidently asserts that it is winning the “war on terror”—and not without some justification. The invasion of Afghanistan denied al-Qaeda its sanctuary. More than two-thirds of its known senior leadership, say the Americans, have been captured or killed. Globally, more than 3,000 al-Qaeda operatives have been (as the Americans put it) “incapacitated”. Terrorist cells have been disrupted across Europe, and some previously recalcitrant countries seem finally to be co-operating in the hunt. In the case of Saudi Arabia, that is partly because, by targeting Muslim Saudis, Mr bin Laden's cadre has made what may turn out to be a strategic misjudgment. All of this has made it more difficult for al-Qaeda to move its men and cash around.

In America itself, chastened spies have pulled their socks up. Ports and borders are better protected than they were, and the emergency services better prepared to respond should the bomber (or germ-warrior) get through. So far, these precautions seem to be paying off. Since September 11th, al-Qaeda and its affiliates have struck repeatedly at “soft” (ie, civilian) targets in Turkey, Morocco, Kenya and elsewhere. But there have been no attacks on the catastrophic scale of the World Trade Centre, and none in mainland America or in America's key western allies. The erosion of a few civil liberties and a few cross airline passengers, Mr Bush might argue, are small prices to pay for this relative tranquillity.

But now imagine that you are Mr bin Laden. You may feel that you have just as many reasons to be cheerful. You have struck the hyperpower in its heartland. You have sown fear and discord in the West. True, you were put to flight in Afghanistan, but your friends are far from beaten even there. In Iraq, America has deposed an apostate, with a number of satisfying results. The infidels are leaving Saudi Arabia, answering your chief political grievance, a much more important one to you than the plight of the Palestinians—a cause, however, that you continue to exploit. America's popularity in the Muslim world has plummeted. Things may change if Iraq emerges as a model Arab democracy, but for now, in some Muslim countries, more people say they have faith in your conduct of world affairs than in Mr Bush's. Your associates can still raise and distribute more than enough money to fund their inexpensive operations. And neither you nor your most important aide, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has been killed or apprehended. You may be incapacitated and sometimes incommunicado, but you remain a powerful totem of jihadi resistance.

Perhaps skulking in a cave on the Afghan-Pakistani border, Mr bin Laden might also reflect that al-Qaeda enjoys two strategic advantages over its enemies. One is its diffuseness. Even before the loss of its Afghan base, al-Qaeda was not an organisation in a conventional sense: Mr bin Laden operated more like a venture capitalist than a CEO, sponsoring operations with varying degrees of control. Since then, the alumni of his Afghan camps—perhaps numbering in the tens of thousands—have dispersed across the globe, forming their own more or less autonomous units. Some of the bombings committed under the al-Qaeda banner may take little more than inspiration from Mr bin Laden himself. Nobody really knows how large that loose network is, nor whether it is growing or shrinking.

A different kind of war
Al-Qaeda's other strategic advantage is its philosophy of time. As the typically obscure references in the latest tape illustrate, Mr bin Laden and his sort take a long view of history, lamenting the reconquest of Andalucia in 1492 as well as more recent “offences”. They are impatient for the advent of the global caliphate; but they can also wait. They plan meticulously and nurture their aspirations—such as the destruction of the World Trade Centre, and the use of planes as weapons—for years. Given that, the world should draw little comfort from the fact that it has so far been spared another September 11th.

Since al-Qaeda is less a concrete adversary than a movement or an ideology, any war waged against it must be equally subtle. “Incapacitation” has its place, but so do public diplomacy in the Muslim world and conflict resolution in the Middle East and beyond—both less in evidence. A “war on terror” in general makes even less sense. It suits Russia's Vladimir Putin and Israel's Ariel Sharon, for example, to portray their battles with Chechen and Palestinian terrorists as part of a global struggle; but these and many other campaigns involve mainly local issues. Most terrorists, moreover, still operate within self-imposed constraints, whereas Mr bin Laden regards the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction as a religious duty. Lumping these threats together under the general rubric of a “war on terror” makes them harder to address.

Another part of the anti-al-Qaeda strategy ought to be the education of western publics. Talk of a “war” itself encourages people to believe in a clear and not-too-distant victory, whereas the apocalyptic spirit of al-Qaeda may be around for decades. “Terror”—which is, after all, a technique rather than an army—will stalk the world forever. It is tricky for anyone not privy to the intelligence that informed the grounding of flights this week to assess whether it justified the alarm and inconvenience that were caused. But the public would be able to cope better with such trials if it understood that the al-Qaeda peril is one with which it will have to learn to live for the foreseeable future—and which, unfortunately, will occasionally inflict more than just inconvenience. Some phlegmatic European officials whisper that their American counterparts have become overly risk-averse, believing that they can see off every threat that may arise. That is unlikely to be possible.
 
and a current "how to" guide for winning the war on terrorism by a pair of hawks.

I think I saw this at PriceClub and it was double spaced! Easier to read!

The war on terrorism

Breathlessly to victory

Jan 8th 2004
From The Economist print edition


Two American hawks offer a path to success


An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror
By David Frum and Richard Perle

Random House; 284 pages; $25.95

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SHOULD Britain accept ever-closer union with its European neighbours? Most people who have an opinion one way or another live in Britain or on the European mainland. Many Americans, it is safe to guess, couldn't care less. Richard Perle and David Frum are exceptions. These influential Washington “neo-conservatives” believe that Britain needs to keep its strategic distance from Europe. Moreover, and strangely, they feel strongly about this because, in their view of the world since September 11th, it is part of how America can win the war on terrorism and, as their immodest title has it, put “an end to evil”.

In fairness, Britain and Europe crop up only towards the end of this “manual for victory”, tacked on to a breathtaking list of more urgent prescriptions. To win the war on terror, Mr Perle and Mr Frum want America (take that breath) to: reorganise the State Department (and the CIA, and the FBI, and the Pentagon); get tough with Saudi Arabia (perhaps by encouraging secession by the Shias of the oil-rich Eastern Province); help Iranians to overthrow their government; make Syria quit Lebanon (and reform its own economy and politics); impose a blockade of North Korea (and prepare a pre-emptive strike on its nuclear plants); revise the UN charter to make “pre-emption” easier; block France's ambition to make the EU a counter to America; campaign for the emancipation of Muslim women; and much, much else besides.

Ambition is no sin in a book. Nor, heaven knows, is brevity. But a book of fewer than 300 pages that proposes to reorder so much of both the American system and the wider world is bound to skimp on detail. America's relations with the UN are settled in a brisk seven pages; those with Russia in fewer than three. This makes the reader wonder whether the boldness of the neo-conservative agenda is rooted—as they see it—in clear thinking, plain talking and moral courage, or whether it arises from a reckless disregard for complexity, shades of grey or the possibility of unintended consequences.

Certainly, this book contains plain talking. No tiptoeing around Muslim sensibilities for Mr Perle and Mr Frum: America, they aver, is at war with a radical strain of Islam that is intent on destroying western civilisation. This enemy does not consist just of a small group of conspirators, since the small group enjoys popular support and is backed by sundry rogue states, including nominal American allies such as Saudi Arabia. Though conceding that the Middle East may be complicated, the authors do not want the complications to blur the big picture. “Religious extremists and secular militants; Sunnis and Shiites; communists and fascists—in the Middle East, these categories blend into one another. All gush from the same enormous reservoir of combustible rage. And all have the same target: the United States.”

So Muslim extremism is America's principal enemy. But in some passages the State Department seems to run the Islamists a close second. Mr Perle, a Reagan-era official, evidently has scores to settle. In Middle East policy, the authors complain, the State Department has deviated from “moral principles and common sense” and needs to be “yanked back into line”.

The authors do not quite specify where the department's sins lie, but provide hints. The fellows at Foggy Bottom seem to have pushed too hard for a Palestinian state. This book argues that, whatever its other merits, Palestinian statehood would have little impact on terrorism because no possible compromise in Palestine will end the terrorists' insatiable demands. They are also cross with State for stinting on support for Ahmed Chalabi, an Iraqi opposition leader who in exile became Mr Perle's friend. Or maybe State's crime is a want of patriotism. Often, Mr Perle and Mr Frum allege, State represents the world to America instead of America to the world.

Is that really such a bad thing to do? It is no job of the State Department to obstruct a president's foreign policy. In making policy, however, a president can use the advice of people with a feel for how the world might react to what America does. Perhaps this explains the animus of the neo-cons. They care little about the world's reaction to their agenda of global regime change and behaviour modification. The world, they say, brims with “hypocrites and scoff-laws”, notably the French, who are out to sabotage the necessary use of America's righteous power in Iraq and beyond. The best way to deal with such people is to ignore or, better, punish them.

George Bush has been accused of letting his foreign policy be steered by super-hawks such as Mr Perle. Some of their breezy optimism about America's ability to right all the world's wrongs, by force if necessary, has indeed rubbed off on policy. Yet this book also shows the limits of their influence. Its authors barely acknowledge that America's own power may be constrained. Mr Bush, since Iraq, seems shrewder on this. Nor, probably, does he think that the war on terror can be the sole organising principle of American policy—right down to what attitude to take to Britain's relations with Europe. The president finds it convenient to pose as the leader of a nation engaged since September 11th in a total war analogous to the war against Hitler. The neo-cons really believe it.

An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror.
By David Frum and Richard Perle.
Random House; 284 pages; $25.95
 
One more- From THomas Friedman-



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January 8, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
War of Ideas, Part 1
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

irline flights into the U.S. are canceled from France, Mexico and London. Armed guards are put onto other flights coming to America. Westerners are warned to avoid Saudi Arabia, and synagogues are bombed in Turkey and France. A package left on the steps of the Metropolitan Museum of Art forces the evacuation of 5,000 museumgoers. (It turns out to contain a stuffed snowman.) National Guardsmen are posted at key bridges and tunnels.

Happy New Year.

What you are witnessing is why Sept. 11 amounts to World War III — the third great totalitarian challenge to open societies in the last 100 years. As the longtime Middle East analyst Abdullah Schleiffer once put it to me: World War II was the Nazis, using the engine of Germany to try to impose the reign of the perfect race, the Aryan race. The cold war was the Marxists, using the engine of the Soviet Union to try to impose the reign of the perfect class, the working class. And 9/11 was about religious totalitarians, Islamists, using suicide bombing to try to impose the reign of the perfect faith, political Islam.

O.K., you say, but how can one possibly compare the Soviet Union, which had thousands of nukes, with Al Qaeda? Here's how: As dangerous as the Soviet Union was, it was always deterrable with a wall of containment and with nukes of our own. Because, at the end of the day, the Soviets loved life more than they hated us. Despite our differences, we agreed on certain bedrock rules of civilization.

With the Islamist militant groups, we face people who hate us more than they love life. When you have large numbers of people ready to commit suicide, and ready to do it by making themselves into human bombs, using the most normal instruments of daily life — an airplane, a car, a garage door opener, a cellphone, fertilizer, a tennis shoe — you create a weapon that is undeterrable, undetectable and inexhaustible. This poses a much more serious threat than the Soviet Red Army because these human bombs attack the most essential element of an open society: trust.

Trust is built into every aspect, every building and every interaction in our increasingly hyperconnected world. We trust that when we board a plane, the person next to us isn't going to blow up his shoes. Without trust, there's no open society because there aren't enough police to guard every opening in an open society.

Which is why suicidal Islamist militants have the potential to erode our lifestyle. Because the only way to deter a suicidal enemy ready to use the instruments of daily life to kill us is by gradually taking away trust. We start by stripping airline passengers, then we go to fingerprinting all visitors, and we will end up removing cherished civil liberties.

So what to do? There are only three things we can do: (1) Improve our intelligence to deter and capture terrorists before they act. (2) Learn to live with more risk, while maintaining our open society. (3) Most important, find ways to get the societies where these Islamists come from to deter them first. Only they really know their own, and only they can really restrain their extremists.

As my friend Dov Seidman, whose company, LRN, teaches ethics to global corporations, put it: The cold war ended the way it did because at some bedrock level we and the Soviets "agreed on what is shameful." And shame, more than any laws or police, is how a village, a society or a culture expresses approval and disapproval and applies restraints.

But today, alas, there is no bedrock agreement on what is shameful, what is outside the boundary of a civilized world. Unlike the Soviet Union, the Islamist terrorists are neither a state subject to conventional deterrence or international rules, nor individuals deterred by the fear of death. And their home societies, in too many cases, have not stigmatized their acts as "shameful." In too many cases, their spiritual leaders have provided them with religious cover, and their local charities have provided them with money. That is why suicide bombing is spreading.

We cannot change other societies and cultures on our own. But we also can't just do nothing in the face of this mounting threat. What we can do is partner with the forces of moderation within these societies to help them fight the war of ideas. Because ultimately this is a struggle within the Arab-Muslim world, and we have to help our allies there, just as we did in World Wars I and II.

This column is the first in a five-part series on how we can do that.
 
Jesus welsh... do you WORK?? how do you have the time and energy to find all that stuff..


I come home from the hanger with only a few things on my mind.. getting out of my uniform and getting a beer from my fridge.


then i get online and check out the boards..


Your amazing man... if you do work you must be on speed or somthing..
 
... and you're the government computer to spread nationalist propaganda :D
 
Not true wooze... or if it is true he's an Apple IIe. one with faulty circutry at that !
 
To be honest, I could care less about the war on terrorism and Sept 11, yeah it was a tragic loss of life and I'm by no means saying it wasn't, but really, Britain's been having to deal with terrorists for nigh on 30 years, and no-one's ever give a shit about us, but blow up two big buildings and cause wholesale slaughter in the U.S. and it's off to wars we go?

Give me a break, this wouldn't have happened if the world view on terrorism had been like this since WW1 (and that's just to cover the French 'resistance' in WW2) yeah, I know it's pretty uninformed of me to speak so broadly, but really, had we gone into Ireland the way Bush went into Iraq we'd be the ones who were the bad guys, but I guess blowing little children up in a shopping mall isn't important if they're not american.
 
Well darkfox- I know that we've been watching events in Northern Ireland and England for awhile. If it wasn't just national interest it would also be ethnic. Americans have a lot of warmth, good will and respect for England and the English. But we also have a lot of folks here who are Irish by immigration or by history.

So it's not like we don't care. After all Clinton was supportive of the peace in Northern Ireland.
 
Isn't that war in Ireland a holy war that has been raging for years, centuries even?

And Darkfox, did you forget about the Cole attack, the first World Trade center bombings, the Iran hostage crisis. It's not like we just began thinking about terrorists after 9-11. It just depends on who is in office.
 
No, it's not a holy war that's been raged for centuries, the terrorism in Ireland as it stands is about 30 odd years old, I don't know the details of it, but the 'holy war' you're on about is still technically in effect, the terrorism I'm referring to is about making NI a part of Ireland, which is dumb because England offered NI back at the end of WW2 apparently and it was refused..

The Cole Bombings, yes I forgot about them, but then, being in the Manchester Arndale center shopping when it blew up can kinda do that to the memory, (this was years ago), not to mention the whole mess where the IRA rang the police like they usually do and told them to evacuate an area because a bomb was in it, only for the bomb to have actually been where they evacuated the people to. To me that was a worse atrocity, actually rounding people up to blow them up is a lot more sickening in my view then the Cole Bombings...

Then there's Canary Wharf, the various attacks on military barracks and shopping centres over the years, I could write a hell of a big list for you if I went to the Library and got out newspaper clippings, yes there is a difference between a load of little bombs over a period of time and a huge disaster like the World Trade Centre and Pentagon attacks (funny how the Pentagon's hardly mentioned) but what irks me is that American business's were actually funding the IRA... yeah, way to show support.
 
But wait there's more

The IRA and al-Qaeda are of course not the only terrorists. Just as Israel is being attaccked by Palastinian fundamentalists, it had its own terrorists which were instrumental in persuadind the British to give the Jews their own state. The only difference is that al-Queda is a true religious fanatic group whose idealogy is more ethical and economic than geographical. Although the IRA, Israeli and Palestinian terrorists have strong religious bases what they really want is land(holy, fertile or whatever) while the Islamic terrorists are sliding toward blowing up Western infidels for the sake of belief.

Maybe if they were not so ignorant and hungry thanks to the lack of 1st world support they wouldn't want to sacrifice themselves to a useless cause.
 
What is "1st world" support?

I may be mistaken, but I don't think there are 1st world ranks for countries. I think it's just third world to describe unindustrialized countries.

Lack of support? Dude, why the hell would we support terrorists who we are fighting? I mean, I can see why we would support some forms of terror in a serious situation like a world war or something, but not our enemy. In fact, we supplied Osama in a sense back when the USSR invaded Afghanistan. The USSR supported the NVA and Vietcong in Vietnam, so we did the same by supporting the Afgan rebels, our revenge if you will. Correct me if I am wrong, but Osama began hating the West when we stopped supporting the rebels after the war ended. It's not like he cared for Afghanistan, he just hated a non-Islamic state going to war with one. If he cared for Afghanistan, he wouldn't have allied himself with the Taliban. He don't give a shit about any country out there. So why should he care if we didn't help Afghanistan rebuild when we weren't officially involved if he doesn't give a damn. He just wants an enemy. So lack of support is a shitty reason for hating us. If he needed support or cared for Afghanistan so badly, he should've took it over himself and asked the West for aid.
 
You are uninformed. It used to be that the 1st world was the industrial west, the 2nd world the communist block and the 3rd world the undeveloped countries.

As for the topic at hand, as long as Osama bin Laden is at large, the US aren't winning the war on terror. He might just be of symbolic value now, but that symbolic value is great.
 
Paladin Solo said:
What is "1st world" support?

I may be mistaken, but I don't think there are 1st world ranks for countries. I think it's just third world to describe unindustrialized countries.

Lack of support? Dude, why the hell would we support terrorists who we are fighting?

In Australia 1st world means advanced industrialized nations who can actually pay off their own debts and give aid to other countries in hard times. In a state debating competition, the topic was 'global warming is the 1st World's problem'. This topic was chosen from a list determined by the state debating commitee. Our opposition's entire argument was that we were not being politically correct and that the topic should be 'global warming is the world's first problem'. This is not what it said on the topic book. Our polite second speaker spent half his time arguing 'what if' using the terms 'developed western industrialised nations ' and 'unindustrialized developing nations', doubling the length of his speech. Australia may be fifty years behind but at least the BS has not yet completly taken over our society.

Bck to the topic of terrorism.
I do not understand why someone would go to great lengths to destroy someone else for little apparent reason.

Why do terrorists want to blow up America?

Is it due to a hatred of America's interference in foreign affairs. I doubt that. The American public does not seem to care and the terrorists are even less informed than the US public with Fox and the main networks 'unbiased' coverage of isssues. Previous US governments remain unaccountable for their actions. Many of the screwed up third world nations will always have a harsh, power hungry leadership without any negative outside help.

Osama will not try to destroy a society just because he is grumpy about not recieving guns and stuff. He is quite wealthy and the oil guys in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere can give plenty of money to muslim freedom fighters. Is his reason then a big Ego/power trip to which he will sacrifice the lives of thousands?

I am saying that if the Arab would be terrorists had a better standard of living, they would not feel the sudden urge to blow up America. This would be hard to achieve seeing that they usually live on a patch of dirt with an unproductive population. To become more advanced, they would need impartial help such as swapping scientists, planners and other professionals with 1st World nations and even then, if discrimination was overturned, it would still be a monumental task. I am not condoning appeasement of fanatics. That has nener worked. I mean that if we prevent or slow the move to fundumentalism in Islam (Bush is a dangerously fundementalist Christian but he is supposedly the 'good guy' ) we will not have to hunt as many crazed but invisable terrrorists from the current endless pool.

What will happen when the oil runs out and the Middle East has nothing? They will probably attack the West and each other in desperation. Now assuming the oil money doesn't get to the average person right now, you have a real reason for why the individual becomes a terrorist with nothing to lose.

Then again they may hate the loss of spirituality in America (even though the main religions are basically the same)?
 
I think it's mostly because Osama hates our influence on the world. He doesn't like seeing Arab children wanting to be more like Westerners and Americans (eat what we eat, drink what we drink, dress like us, watch what we watch, listen to our music, etc...)
 
Maybe

The French are getting annoyed when illegal immigrants who say we want to be French and Western with McDonalds, rap and the like.

Western is starting to mean American popular culture. This trend toward Americanization may be the problem but most Arab politicians and professionals prefer to educate their children in the West so destroying them makes little sense.

I wonder which school Osama's kids will go to if they are not groomed as terrorist figurehead heirs.
 
More from Thomas Friedmann-



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January 11, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
War of Ideas, Part 2
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

While visiting Istanbul the other day, I took a long walk along the Bosporus near Topkapi Palace. There is nothing like standing at this stunning intersection of Europe and Asia to think about the clash of civilizations — and how we might avoid it. Make no mistake: we are living at a remarkable hinge of history and it's not clear how it's going to swing.

What is clear is that Osama bin Laden achieved his aim: 9/11 sparked real tensions between the Judeo-Christian West and the Muslim East. Preachers on both sides now openly denounce each other's faith. Whether these tensions explode into a real clash of civilizations will depend a great deal on whether we build bridges or dig ditches between the West and Islam in three key places — Turkey, Iraq and Israel-Palestine.

Let's start with Turkey — the only Muslim, free-market democracy in Europe. I happened to be in Istanbul when the street outside one of the two synagogues that were suicide-bombed on Nov. 15 was reopened. Three things struck me: First, the chief rabbi of Turkey appeared at the ceremony, hand in hand with the top Muslim cleric of Istanbul and the local mayor, while crowds in the street threw red carnations on them. Second, the Turkish leader, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who comes from an Islamist party, paid a visit to the chief rabbi — the first time a Turkish prime minister had ever called on the chief rabbi. Third, and most revealing, was the statement made by the father of one of the Turkish suicide bombers who hit the synagogues.

"We are a respectful family who love our nation, flag and the Koran," the grieving father, Sefik Elaltuntas, told the Zaman newspaper. "But we cannot understand why this child had done the thing he had done . . . First, let us meet with the chief rabbi of our Jewish brothers. Let me hug him. Let me kiss his hands and flowing robe. Let me apologize in the name of my son and offer my condolences for the deaths. . . . We will be damned if we do not reconcile with them."

The same newspaper also carried a quote from Cemil Cicek, the Turkish government spokesman, who said: "The Islamic world should take stringent measures against terrorism without any `buts' or `howevers.' "

There is a message here: Context matters. Turkish politicians are not intimidated by religious fundamentalists, because — unlike too many Arab politicians — they have their own legitimacy that comes from being democratically elected. At the same time, the Turkish parents of suicide bombers don't all celebrate their children's suicide. They are not afraid to denounce this barbarism, because they live in a free society where such things are considered shameful and alien to the moderate Turkish brand of Islam — which has always embraced religious pluralism and which most Turks feel is the "real" Islam.

For all these reasons, if we want to help moderates win the war of ideas within the Muslim world, we must help strengthen Turkey as a model of democracy, modernism, moderation and Islam all working together. Nothing would do that more than having Turkey be made a member of the European Union — which the E.U. will basically decide this year. Turkey has undertaken a huge number of reforms to get itself ready for E.U. membership. If, after all it has done, the E.U. shuts the door on Turkey, extremists all over the Muslim world will say to the moderates: "See, we told you so — it's a Christian club and we're never going to be let in. So why bother adapting to their rules?"

I think Turkey's membership in the E.U. is so important that the U.S. should consider subsidizing the E.U. to make it easier for Turkey to be admitted. If that fails, we should offer to bring Turkey into Nafta, even though it would be very complicated.

"If the E.U. creates some pretext and says `no' to Turkey, after we have done all this, I am sure the E.U. will lose and the world will lose," Turkey's foreign minister, Abdullah Gul, told me in Ankara. "If Turkey is admitted, the E.U. is going to win and world peace is going to win. This would be a gift to the Muslim world. . . . When I travel to other Muslim countries — Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia — they are proud of what we are doing. They are proud of our process [of political and economic reform to join the E.U.]. They mention this to me. They ask, `How is this going?' "

Yes, everyone is watching, which is why the E.U. would be making a huge mistake — a hinge of history mistake — if it digs a ditch around Turkey instead of building a bridge.

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also part 3

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January 15, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
War of Ideas, Part 3
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

uring the next six months, the world is going to be treated to two remarkable trials in Baghdad. It is going to be the mother of all split screens. On one side, you're going to see the trial of Saddam Hussein. On the other side, you're going to see the trial of the Iraqi people. That's right, the Iraqi people will also be on trial — for whether they can really live together without the iron fist of the man on the other side of the screen.

This may be apocryphal, but Saddam is supposed to have once remarked something like: Be careful, if you get rid of me, you will need seven presidents to rule Iraq. Which is why this split-screen trial is going to be so important. Either Saddam is going to be laughing at us and at Iraqis, saying "I told you so," as Iraqis are squabbling and murdering each other on the other side of the screen.

Or, we and the Iraqi people will be laughing at him by proving that it is possible to produce something the Arab world has rarely seen: a self-governing, multiethnic, representative Arab government that accepts minority rights and peaceful transfers of power — without a military dictator, monarch or mullah standing overhead with a stick.

You don't want to miss this show. This is pay-per-view history. If, somehow, Iraqi Kurds, Sunnis, Turkmen, Christians, Assyrians and Shiites find a way to embrace pluralism, it will be a huge boost to moderates in the war of ideas all across the Muslim world. Those who scoff at the idea of a democratic domino theory in the Arab world don't know what they're talking about. But those who think this is a done deal don't know Iraq.

If Iraq is going to be made to work as a decent, pluralistic, self-governing entity, noted the Iraq expert Amatzia Baram of the United States Institute of Peace, all the key factions there will have to accept being "reasonably unhappy." All will have to settle for their second-best dream in order to avoid their first-class nightmare: chaos or a return to tyranny.

Islamists will have to accept being unhappy that the system does not mandate Sharia law as the constitution, but only "reasonably" unhappy, because Islam will be the official religion of the state and respected as an important basis for legislation and governance. Secularists will have to accept being unhappy that Iraq's new basic law gives Islam an important symbolic place in governance, but only "reasonably" unhappy, because this secular law and judges will still provide the basis for a new rule of law. Kurds will have to accept being very unhappy not to achieve their dream of an independent Kurdistan, but only "reasonably" unhappy, because the special autonomous status of the Kurdish region will be concretized in Iraqi law.

The Sunnis will have to accept being unhappy that they are no longer controlling Iraq and its oil wealth, but only "reasonably" unhappy, because they will discover that they still have a significant role in the parliament, and a share of the nation's oil wealth in their own provinces, thanks to the new Iraqi federalism. The Shiites will be unhappy that, now when their majority political status will finally be realized, power and resources are going to be diffused throughout a federal system and constraints are going to be placed on the power of the majority. But they will only have to be "reasonably" unhappy, because there will eventually be a Shiite head of government, and the very federalism that disperses power and resources will also enable Shiite provinces that wish to adopt a more Islamist form of government to do so.

"Let us put aside the literary phrase `We are brothers but others are dividing us,' " wrote the thoughtful Arab columnist Hazem Saghieh in Al Hayat. "We in Iraq and elsewhere are not brothers — there are problems we inherited from our own history and social makeup, which were not helped by oppressive modern regimes. . . . Let's be frank: the Shiites today scare the Sunnis; the Sunnis and the Shiites together scare the Kurds; and the Kurds scare the other minorities. . . . All the ethnic groups of Iraq have the responsibility of putting nation-building above their selfish and conflicting calculations."

In short, our most serious long-term enemy in Iraq may not be the Iraqi insurgents, but the Iraqi people. Can they live together reasonably unhappy at first, and then grow reasonably happy? If they can, we will be Iraq's temporary midwife, helping give birth to its democracy. If they can't, we will be Iraq's new, always unhappy, baby sitter, and the old one, Saddam Hussein, will be laughing at us all the way to the gallows.
 
We always need compromise and balance, such as my lefty, naiive hippy stuff to create balance.

The world needs more moderates and people in the centre of the political spectrum. Will it happen?

We must have hope.

EDIT: we seem to be running out of conservative posters, what a shame.
 
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