What does "War Never Changes" mean to you?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Scramjet, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. Wumbology

    Wumbology Actually a sentient CRT

    Mar 5, 2013
    Animal Farm is not anti-communist, however. It's actually a very left-wing, socialist book. It is, though, anti-authoritarian.
  2. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Jul 26, 2003
    Animal farm is quite anti-communist, I'd contend. Communism is to socialism as a lizard is to a salamander - functionally similar, at best. Orwell himself was both socialist and vocally anti-communist, primarily for those flaws which he perceived as distancing communism from the intent of true socialism in practice.
  3. Wumbology

    Wumbology Actually a sentient CRT

    Mar 5, 2013
    Ehhhh, Snowball is obviously Lenin. And Napoleon is obviously Stalin. I feel Orwell wanted to show the evils of Stalinism, while portraying Lenin positively. (Guess he never heard about Cheka.)
    So I feel Animal Farm is actually pro-Leninist, if anything.
  4. aarin foster

    aarin foster First time out of the vault

    Mar 19, 2017
    have never advocated war except as means of peace, so seek peace, but prepare for war. ... War never changes. War is like winter and winter is coming. Ulysses S. Grant

    "I have never advocated war except asmeans of peace, so seek peace, but prepare forwar. Because war... War never changes. War is like winter and winter is coming." - Ulysses Grant.
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  5. Sn1p3r187

    Sn1p3r187 Carolinian Shaolin Monk

    Apr 7, 2014
    To me, war never changes means that regardless of war is fought over or about. The practice of war never changes. It's goal is maim, break, kill, and destroying. The nature of humanity is plagued by war, therefor since war doesn't change, then neither does the nature of humanity by extension. But humanity isn't like war. We're moldable and can be changed. It's as Ulysses said it- "If war doesn't change, then the nature of the people who fight war needs to change."
  6. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    I think of it as meaning that no matter what humanity goes through, even if we're on the verge of extinction, we'll always have some reason to fight each other over ideology or resources or hatred etc.
  7. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    Fallout 4=Game of the year

    That never changes
  8. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Oct 13, 2010
    To me, I always felt that War Never Changes applied to the effect it had.
    Technology may change and reasons may change, but the outcome will always remain the same.

    Also, I felt it had a lot more to do with Humanity's need for war than anything else. The games (the GOOD ones at least) showcase war in a time where war has led to disastrous consequences. New Vegas is the perfect example of this, there's a war over power which showcases humanity never changes itself.

    I always see discussion over MGS4's "War has Changed" and Fallout's "War Never Changes" as it's either one of the other, but both are pretty accurate in describing war through the ages.
    It always changes and yet never changes. It lives in a constant state of contradictions.
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  9. Knight In Leather Armor

    Knight In Leather Armor Badger Nutsack

    Feb 6, 2016
    No matter humanities situation, humanity will continue to wage war on itself in one way or another.
  10. Kadscaner

    Kadscaner NMA’s only mutie

    Feb 4, 2016
    People will always have a reason to fight and kill, no matter the circumstances they're in. Simple as that.
  11. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    So you don't have to pay Ron Perlmann for re-recording sone lines of dialogs between sequels.
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  12. Einhanderc7

    Einhanderc7 Vat dipped, grown and still oozing with perfection

    Apr 22, 2016
    War never changes heh? Depends on your perspective, war does indeed "change/strategy/tactics" but the motivation is always the same.
    Conflict which is a staple of the human condition is elaborated in the statement. However if you contemplate the logic of war/conflict you are typically boiled down to some very simple variables. Faction A has stuff that faction B wants, Faction A does not want to share and is not obligated to do so. Or Faction A dislikes Faction B for some reason, and must justify a war based on conjecture and vice versa.

    “No one starts a war – or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so – without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it.”
    – Karl von Clausewitz

    Throughout human history all conflicts could have been avoided, there has yet to be a war for survival with a clear enemy. The closest human kind has had to this is the combat against apex predators, but now humans have become the monsters in the dark they fear themselves. That is the reality we stagnate in now.
  13. Wasteland Wanderer

    Wasteland Wanderer First time out of the vault

    Mar 24, 2017
    Ive always taken it as humanity at its basic state is brutal and terrifying and no matter how civilized we become as a society war will never change. We will always be brutal and terrifying