Russia attacks Ukraine

it is not important. it is important that europe continues to support these wonderful people who protect from the threat of orc advancement. mordor must be stopped. ukraine is first and foremost european values
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Do any of them break their nose on it like that Russian guy who shot the AT4 and found the idea of a foregrip to be beyond his mental capabilities?

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Also ear protection seems to have been introduced into the Russian Federation. BYLAT Tinnitus makes you STRONK!
 
Sn1p3r187 said:
Yeah. I imagine when the war is over, Ukraine is gonna un-make them afterwards.
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so you think that the most radical and at the same time the most motivated people with combat experience, who were used for more than 10 years in the war against separatists in the east of Ukraine and to suppress the opposition, will simply lay down their arms and give up their claims to power? Usually war veterans have great ambitions in politics. remember at least Bush Sr. and McCain.

TheGM said:
Do any of them break their nose on it like that Russian guy who shot the AT4 and found the idea of a foregrip to be beyond his mental capabilities?

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Also ear protection seems to have been introduced into the Russian Federation. BYLAT Tinnitus makes you STRONK!
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I'm glad you're following this
 
TheGM said:
Do any of them break their nose on it like that Russian guy who shot the AT4 and found the idea of a foregrip to be beyond his mental capabilities?

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Also ear protection seems to have been introduced into the Russian Federation. BYLAT Tinnitus makes you STRONK!
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Dude couldn't even be bothered to read the instructions on the tube - smh.
 
broneslav said:
so you think that the most radical and at the same time the most motivated people with combat experience, who were used for more than 10 years in the war against separatists in the east of Ukraine and to suppress the opposition, will simply lay down their arms and give up their claims to power? Usually war veterans have great ambitions in politics. remember at least Bush Sr. and McCain.



I'm glad you're following this
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No theyre not. That's why i said theyll likely get un-made afterwards. As in killed by their own. AkA- Azov are seen as Useful idiots. Aka brownshirts, likely will suffer the same fate.
 
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Sn1p3r187 said:
No theyre not. That's why i said theyll likely get un-made afterwards. As in killed by their own. AkA- Azov are seen as Useful idiots. Aka brownshirts, likely will suffer the same fate.
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let's say Azov is just a gathering of dangerous marginals and useful idiots who are simply used as cannon fodder.
but what to do with this:



Well, Europeans might say, okay, all this is far away and not serious. But for Russians, it's a real problem. Just imagine that you live in Warsaw, and torchlight processions honoring Nazi heroes are held in Berlin.
 
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broneslav said:
let's say Azov is just a gathering of dangerous marginals and useful idiots who are simply used as cannon fodder.
but what to do with this:



Well, Europeans might say, okay, all this is far away and not serious. But for Russians, it's a real problem. Just imagine that you live in Warsaw, and torchlight processions honoring Nazi heroes are held in Berlin.
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I dont have to imagine that. Germany from what i hear is extraordinarily harsh on anyone who decides to play neo nazi or worship them. I mean i hear a lot of folk have tendencies to run neo nazi jackasses out of their towns and cities on site in a lot of spots in Europe. Sure there are idiots who have sympathies towards them. But theyre in a small minority and not in a position to gain proper power. Lot of folks know history rhymes and those who remember know how to kill them again and send the roaches back into hiding.
Though i do agree, Azov battalion should not have been allowed to happen in the first place being where their sympathies lay and what their ultimate end goal is. For now, the Ukrainian government and their interests coincide. In the event Ukraine happens to win or gets to a ceasefire agreement with Russia. Theyll likely say "Thank you, but you gotta be go. Too dangerous to be left alive"
 
Sn1p3r187 said:
I dont have to imagine that. Germany from what i hear is extraordinarily harsh on anyone who decides to play neo nazi or worship them. I mean i hear a lot of folk have tendencies to run neo nazi jackasses out of their towns and cities on site in a lot of spots in Europe. Sure there are idiots who have sympathies towards them. But theyre in a small minority and not in a position to gain proper power. Lot of folks know history rhymes and those who remember know how to kill them again and send the roaches back into hiding.
Though i do agree, Azov battalion should not have been allowed to happen in the first place being where their sympathies lay and what their ultimate end goal is. For now, the Ukrainian government and their interests coincide. In the event Ukraine happens to win or gets to a ceasefire agreement with Russia. Theyll likely say "Thank you, but you gotta be go. Too dangerous to be left alive"
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there is only one thing that is very bad - you do not understand that in the case of peace with Russia, Azov will come armed to the office of President Zelensky and they will say "get out, you are no longer needed"
Even Prigozhin challenged and rebelled against Putin. In the case of Zelensky - after the conclusion of a peace treaty, he is a corpse
 
broneslav said:
there is only one thing that is very bad - you do not understand that in the case of peace with Russia, Azov will come armed to the office of President Zelensky and they will say "get out, you are no longer needed"
Even Prigozhin challenged and rebelled against Putin. In the case of Zelensky - after the conclusion of a peace treaty, he is a corpse
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You sound a little too certain that Zelensky isnt already aware of Azov and their intentions? Theyve had years to act against Zelensky and even before the war they didnt do it. The best time really wouldve been during the initial invasion in 2022. And even by war's end. Theyre gonna be so whittled away, out of energy, and resources that they wouldnt really be able to fight back in the event of a Ukrainian victory and they decide to bury all of Azov battalion. Im very sure sure in the event of any form of victory. He might do to them what Putin did to Pringozhin. But either way if Russia when's theyre damned, if Ukraine wins- still fucked. Idk maybe theyd have a chance to live if they werent nazis
 
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Let's start with who needed Zelensky and why. Biden needed him to confront Putin. Now the deal to transfer fossil resources to America has already been signed. America does not need Zelensky, he has not shown military success, but has spent resources. The adventure in Sudzha failed. Zelensky is guarded by the military and security forces, who are sitting on US money and are still stealing from it. Now imagine that peace comes. Who will finance the military in Ukraine? Why will they need Zelensky? He is just an unnecessary figure, who also knows too much. But we will still have to negotiate with Putin in the future. It seems to me that I am stating quite simple and obvious things.
 
I mean to be fair he has showed some military success considering it is what... year 3 in the 3 day special military operation?
 
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