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Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by TheHouseAlwaysWins, Nov 22, 2019.
It looks overall pretty great and it's going to take place between Half Life 1 and 2
I honestly think it's a dick move. Let's not give the fans a conclusion to a storyline we purposefully left on a cliffhanger because of our assurance that an episodic format would work. Let's instead have them wait for years on years and then when we finally release another half life game to the starving fans, practically mummified at this point, let's make it a VR game so only those who can afford a VR headset and has the room space in their apartment/house and those who don't get literally sick can enjoy it. Cause fuck 'em, that's why.
Valve will not dangle keys in front of me and get me to go "oooh". Fact of the matter is that Valve left everyone hanging with their fucking episode format and not concluding the storyline and instead going radiosilent on the thing and then when the fans finally get to see the corpse twitch alive it's a VR game. I find it insulting on Valve's part. Doing fuck all with the IP until they can do something innovative again (is there any proper AAA VR games?) and even then they can't fucking wrap up the storyline. Not that it would be a good thing to have EP3 require VR but hey at least they'd finally finish the game.
Forget about the fact that Valve can't count to 3.
Cause now we're getting shiny keys! Watch them dangle be in awe.
I also said in that The Order thread that I'm curious as to why Alyx is the protagonist considering the current gaming climate of politicizing vagina's. Whether she's going to be properly handled or whether she's going to be a slay queen hear me roar. Cause I quite frankly don't get it, why am Alyx spin-off prequel takes precedence over HL2EP3 or even HL3.
Literally for 12 years people have been waiting for any new news on more Half Life games and finally something gets announced. And it's a game set between 1 and 2 and it's VR only. Doesn't continue the story and it's on something that is currently very expensive for a lot of people.
Just fantastic, Valve. That's exactly what people wanted. You gave them what they really wanted and not that other game people have been asking for well over a decade.
I read that they are avoiding making Half Life 3 because expectactions are just too high after all the years of waiting and they think they are not gonna deliver. Really, it's their fault because instead of making the game when the previous games were still fresh in everyones's memory, they decided to just stall and not just make the damn game.
Now i'm forced to believe that they maybe intended Half Life 3 to be on VR, but knew a lot of people would get pissed if they actually did that. Because they have been pushing VR for a while now, so they decided to make a prequel to 2 to lessen the blowback from fans.
The whole reason the game industry and fallout is shit right now is because of the fact companies make their games for as many platforms as possible for the social capital.
A game being made for a limited audience like this is a good thing because it means the quality will be higher for it.
The only reason the audience is limited is because the technology is still expensive as shit and people with motion sickness and other medical conditions can't play VR. This is not being made for a niche audience, this is just Valve thinking people will buy VR now because an Half Life game is being made exclusive for it.
I'm not saying a Half Life VR game is a bad thing. I'm saying waiting over a decade and blueballing the fans on the conclusion to a storyline they purposefully left on a cliffhanger only for it to get revived for the sole reason of creating a spin-off VR game is a bad thing.
A Half-Life game after over a decade should be the continuation and conclusion of the storyline everyone has been waiting for. Not this thing. And such a Half-Life game should not be exclusive to an expensive piece of gaming hardware that not everyone can afford nor use never mind all of us who don't even want to use it at all.
And I still think it is a dick move to release games exclusively for certain hardware. I never liked exclusivity.
This game actually looks coold but i am not getting a VR ever. On the other hand i think they said valve is working on a few more half life games. Could be something further down the road for the rest of us. Time will tell!
If HL3 is being developed then I don't see why they would think it'd be a good idea to lead with a VR spin-off. Then again, Valve seems to be high on bad ideas atm.
This VR game already looks impressive, so there is no telling what Valve can do. Probably botch the whole thing up.
VR is great for multiplayer when you're doing it with friends or people immersed in the experience of making the most out of it. VRChat is probably the finest example of how bizarre and funny a VR experience can be.
Spoiler: sum clips
I think VR works best for fucking around and just having fun with other people. I don't really see how a solo experience is going to be all that much fun. Could be interesting. If it is going to be focused on the narrative then it'll be interesting to see if Valve can actually make the game respond to your various VR actions. Doesn't the combine police in the first train area of HL2 get pissy at you if you litter? Something like that. Reactive AI. But unless it actually does something interesting and instead just have cheap gimmicks (gameplay elements that are there for no other reason than to desperately try and justify the VR experience when they are redundant and uninteresting) then what do we really get? A HL game that could have done without VR but is exclusive to it for some reason.
Either way, the only reason I'd ever consider buying VR gear is for a multiplayer experience and only if I had a group of online friends who have VR gear and are willing to get together to make the most out of it. That's where it'd shine.
But who knows, I haven't seen a AAA game developed specifically for VR before, it's always been a mode tacked on as an afterthought. So I can't say for certain that it will be a flop.
This seems like a pretty shitty thing to do on behalf of Valve.
It's annoying that they think the best way to bring back their dead franchise is via VR.
It's something that not many People will be able to play, let alone want to play.
In a year's time, we'll probably see this get released on non-vr platforms.
Hell, it'll probably get a release on the PS5 and Xbox 4.
I have nothing against VR and i don't mind an Half Life game being made for it. But like Mr.Fish said, it's a dick move to finally bring back a franchise that people have been longing for over a decade, but it's for an expensive peripheral that some people can't afford or can't even play because of a medical condition.
They should have first announced a game for the most common modes of play (controllers and keyboard and mouse) and then announce a following game on VR.
I also feel like most people here after twelve years of waiting for a follow up to Half Life 2 Episode 2, only learning what Episode 3 would have been about in an altered form on the main writer's blog after he has left the company, to hear that the next Half Life game will be a VR only game and a prequel to boot, it feels rather like Valve doing a piss on my interest while being a loyal Half Life customer/supporter since the franchise started in 1998.
Like others mentioned here I don't mind Valve doing a spin off in order to promote a new technology by giving it a killer app that may make it interest for some who are still on the fence to finally purchase a VR headset. It is perfectly understandable.
What I dislike is that after telling us that the episodic format would make it easier to continue the Half Life series, they make us wait for more than twelve years while they work on various other projects and the hardware side of their business without ever be willing to openly talk about the fate of the franchise, and now decide to get back to it and still can not bother making a third episode or third game which is probably one of the few reasons some hardcore Half Life fans still hang around despite perhaps waiting since their college, trade school, uni years, and entering the job market or starting their own families.
And not to mention other game franchises that are as old and have had multiple entries since which probably have felt a lot more rewarding to support.
If this game had been announced along with Episode 3 or Half Life 3 for regular PC users I would not be as annoyed about this. Still a little because I can not play this game but there would be at least be a long awaited follow up which I can play.
What I dislike even more about this announcement is the number of Valve ass kissers/Gabe cock suckers who apparently are all over Valve not giving the Half Life fandom anything in a decade to hold hope that the series would ever continue, and now insult other fans for disliking that the franchise is continued in VR form or that they can not afford a VR headset as these things are expensive for a lot of people.
"Why don't you get a job?" Yeah being poor or unemployed is a chosen lifestyle for a lot of people who can not afford a VR headset, one they do not want to give up, or perhaps most money goes to things they can't avoid like food and paying bills.
I felt before this announcement that the Half Life fandom was dying and that a spiritual sequel was needed for those who still enjoy single player sci fi themed FPS games to at least give them some of the feeling again they experienced during Half Life. I still stand by that point.
I don't think the VR revolution is a bad thing as it looks pretty cool in all honesty but I hate how Valve has been treating its Half Life fans.
Not sure i am still hyped after all this time...
I don't think it is going to do things badly, depending of course if this is a real FPS game and not one of those VR games that "teleports" you from scene to scene like some others have been doing.
My main gripe with this game is that after twelve years of having to wait for any news on a new Half Life game is that Valve is coming with this technology showcase game that is not even the sequel we have been waiting for.
I am frustrated too that it is VR only but I can not completely hold that against Valve even if I feel that Valve is leaving me out because of this decision. I am not going to buy Valve index, a 1000 Euro purchase which I would have to do on top of a new PC as my old one is ten years ol.d
Still I can not help but feel that they are not very respectful towards the fandom that helped them rise up in the first place, a fandom they have let bleed out after Episode 2. I feel they have exhausted the good will of the fandom like other companies have done with other fandoms.
I am not really into the "forgive and forget" spirit.
Valve can best hope they can create a new fandom but if Half Life 2 Alyx fails and this is the end of the Half Life franchise I don't have a problem with it.
I'll buy it.
The only thing I'm worried about are the old leaks about the games movement being "user-defined-teleport"-style. I just hate that.
In regards to movement, here.
Teleporting is in as movement, but so is control with an analogue stick and the... smooth zoom, whatever that is. Three different movement methods depending on your preferences.
VR...what the fuck, does that mean I need to buy a crappy headset - I hope this dives. Hopefully they'll release a non VR version shortly after.
It seems to be a good game though, however, I agree that making it exclusively VR is not a good decision from valve. They should make a non VR version of this game, as some people don't enjoy VR too much.
Then it will be a half-assed VR and non-VR game. You either do the one or the other, you can't do both.