Anyone noticed Legion supporters usually spell Caesar wrong?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Sicknessoverload, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. Sicknessoverload

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    Have any of you noticed that when someone supports the Legion, they usually spell Caesar as Ceaser or Ceaser. I think Legion supporters are either edgy or stupid.
     
  2. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

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    You really are looking for trouble aren't you?
     
  3. Sicknessoverload

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    What do you mean?
     
  4. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

    Jun 15, 2015
    You called a group of people who support a faction in New Vegas edgy or dumb. Your lucky @KingArthur and @Mr Fish weren't the ones to call you out as they are big time Legion supporters and wouldn't have gone as easy on you as I am. While I will agree with you that Caesar and the Legion actions such as slavery and total war are evil, however, when it comes to Caesar's views on dealing with the greedy and corrupt many of us either don't blame them or voice support to them in that regard. As many of us are in our 20's and 30's and have seen just how evil and corrupt real life politicians are and many of us are like; "Yeah, these fuckers should get burned or crucified for their corruption and greed. The Legion is right on that."
    As to spelling Caesar name wrong that sometimes happens. I'm a mod author and when writing I sometimes write Caesar's name wrong. It happens.
     
  5. Sicknessoverload

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    I don't understand how anyone can support slavery and crucifixion. And none of what Caesar does is excusable, no matter how greedy and corrupt someone is they don't deserve crucifixion.
     
  6. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013

    It still surprises me there are unironic Caesar supporters when even the devs created the faction as being a morally repulsive regime inspired by the likes of Charles Taylor
     
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  7. Sicknessoverload

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    Like I said, it's either being moronic or edgy. It amazes me how weak the morality is in some people, I don't understand how some people were almost convinced by Caesar when he explained himself.
     
  8. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

    Jun 15, 2015
    The has to do with the morals and pragmatism of the wasteland. When Caesar first ventured to the Southwest he saw that the tribes were living in squalor and did not advanced at all in the 200 years since the bombs fell. He believed that the only way to advance these tribes and "uplift" them was to forcibly integrate them into one nation, the Legion. Josh Sawyer even stated this about Caesar:
     
  9. Sicknessoverload

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    Naturally, all the factions believe they're doing the right thing, but Caesar obviously isn't.
     
  10. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

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    You also have to see things from this perspective. The Southwest was a lawless and raider infested hellhole. Raider tribes and warlords ruled with an iron fist and took what they went whenever they want. When Caesar came he destroyed those raider tribes and brought the warlords there to heel. To the NCR and Mojave Caesar is an evil slaver warlord who destroys and enslaves all who cross his path but to the people of the Southwest Caesar is a harsh but benevolent lord who saved them from the chaos and lawlessness of the wastes. In Legion lands there is plenty of clean water, ample supplies of food and electricity. There is little to no crime and corruption in Legion lands, no taxes to pay and people can walk for miles in the Southwest wasteland without getting accosted by raiders or bandits. Granted, to do this the Legion had to commit harsh and even heinous actions. Then again, it is no different to what many other civilizations from the past did in order to bring law and civilization to their lands.
     
  11. Sicknessoverload

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    In California they have all of that asides from the savage treatment of women and slavery. Benjamin Franklin said a people who choose security over liberty will get neither.
     
  12. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Fossil

    Apr 7, 2017
    Yeah, except for the fact that the NCR can hardly protect themselves, let alone its citizens. Causing groups like the Powder Gangers and other bandit groups to run rampant and attack caravans and settlements.

    I would totally feel safe in NCR lands with that in mind.
     
  13. ResetRPG

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    I think it comes down to the use of Hegelian Dialectics and the supporters not using the same moral framework that we work with in America, where Slavery and Crucifixion are axiomatically bad.

    If your enemy works on your same moral footwork, they will lose the moral debate every single time.

    To be fair though, the existence of the Legion poses a good question of, is Caesar a good example of synthesis from the self centered debauchery and immoral existence of the wastes, and the pre war liberalism of the NCR? And are their actions justified in the pursuit of said synthesis.

    I am an NCR supporter, but I think FNV wouldn't be nearly as intellectually compelling without the existence of Caesar and the Legion as a whole.
     
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  14. Sicknessoverload

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    California is different than the Mojave, which they've only been there for ten years. Once the Legion is defeated and things calm down the region will stabalize.
     
  15. Sicknessoverload

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    I agree, but I'm for Independence. If it wasn't for the Legion we wouldn't be here talking about it, it probably would have had the same fate as Fallout 3.
     
  16. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

    Jun 15, 2015
    You have to understand that around the time that New Vegas took place the NCR had almost 100 years of robust capitalism and democracy with a military force to maintain law, order and security. Not to mention that the NCR Rangers, the NCR's elite fighting force, were formed by abolitionists who were fighting against slavery in NCR territory. The people of the Southwest did not have that. When Caesar came and established law, order and civilization in the Southwest they probably thought that he was a godsend. They could care less what unsavory aspects that he and his Legion did so long as they were safe, well feed and free to go about their business. As Cass tells you; "You will be surprised how people will be willing to trade in their freedom for safety."
    One of the things that the developers wanted to explore but didn't get a chance to was for the player to explore Legion lands and interact with Legion subjects. Doing so you would have seen how detached the subjects were to things such as slavery. To the NCR and those of us in the real world who grew up in the West would see something like slavery as an abomination but to the Legion's subjects is part of the everyday.
     
  17. Sicknessoverload

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    I think once people in Caesar's land realize the freedoms that come with NCR rule they'd rather be with them than Caesar
     
  18. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

    Jun 15, 2015
    Have you talked to to the likes of Dale Burton when you go to The Fort? Many of them don't and actually love Caesar and hate NCR. Mainly because Caesar's lands are a merchants paradise. The NCR they will tell you is corrupt and will tax them to high heaven, Caesar doesn't. You have to understand that in a post-apocalyptic world people are going to side with whoever serves their best interest and in the game that is Caesar. Even the likes of Cass who despises the Legion even admits grudging admiration for Caesar's lands being a merchants heaven.
     
  19. Sicknessoverload

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    He also mentioned Lanius killed his brahmin because it was in his way but didn't say anything because he knew he would be killed.
     
  20. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident crazy lady

    Jun 15, 2015
    Yes and that is one of the drawbacks for those in Legion lands is that they have no say. They keep their mouth shut they can keep the money they make and go about their business. As Sawyer stated; "Most of those in Legion lands don't care if they have a say or not in the Legion's affairs as they believed that they never had a say even before the Legion came."
    This is much different then how the NCR was before it was founded where people did somewhat have a say. Again, if you were to ask Dale Burton again he probably will tell you that he would take the dead brahmin over paying taxes any day. Even the people of the Mojave consider paying taxes to the NCR to be akin to slavery from the Legion.