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Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Claude Frollo, Jan 16, 2009.
If there are enough nukes, it won't matter.
In the event of a nuclear war, it really depends if you're lucky or not.
Let me explain.The modern technology makes nukes very powerful and very fast.For example, an ICBM (Intercontinental Balistic Missile) equiped with MIRV (multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles) can make a missile defense system useless, because allows multiple warheads to be launched at several targets from a single missile.This, combined with the current power a warhead yelds, can make a few missiles able to destroy a small to medium country.
And I said that it depends if you're lucky because there is not time for a proper evacuation and you might find yourself morphing into a ...well, ghoul.
Indeed. I felt very sad when I found out if London was nuked, I would feel its effects in the remote village in the Northeast where I live.
Not that it matters, if Sheffield, Durham, or Newcastle were nuked also I would be fucked, especially with Soviet era weapons that are in the 400kt range.
Want to survive the nuclear holocaust? Build a vault in your cellar. Stock up on water (build a cistern - water has a nearly indefinite shelf life if kept properly) and stock up on food, seeds, etc.
Build a faraday cage and put important items like torches, radios, etc, inside).
Buy a couple of solar panels, a generator, gain the knowledge to conect them both and maintain them, and then you can power whatever items you have in the faraday cage. (say like a laptop or something if you really feel like you want to play Fallout)
Buy weapons and ammo. This will be slightly harder in the Europe where they are mostly illegal.
This off course, all depends on whether you are lucky enough to be in your house at the time of the nuclear holocaust and say, not at work, or you have sufficient time to get there (unlikely if you are anywhere else but in your neighbourhood)
But if you do survive, and I kind of pity you if you do, you will be in the harshest world ever to greet a human. Watch 'Threads'.
I was thinking...
My kind of "Nuclear Apocalypse" would be very diferent from most of you, who either live in the USA, UK or Eastern Europe. Unlike most of you, I live in Brazil, a country which is NOT a target for nukes. My city, although a state capital, its fairly small compared to places like São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro. If someone decided to nuke Brazil, Rio and São Paulo would probrably be the targets, although it beats me why anyone would shoot us.
I think that, instead of the Mad Max-style collapse of civilization caused by extensive nukage and radiation, we would face temporary chaos with crazies and gangsters going on a rampage of looting, rape and killing until The Brazilian Army imposed Martial Law. And then a lot of radiation would come from North America though the jetstream. Millions would die, though. After the rads, the governament would estabilish order, although even that order would be kinda chaotic, but at least we're probrably going to fare better than the people in North America. We would't be hit by EMPs, so most of our tech will still work.
After this, it would probrably be twenty years of semi-chaos until things somewhat settled. Brazil has a good advantage, because we're a industrial country with a decently-sized army, immense natural resources and we're self-suficient when it comes to oil.
I wonder how other countries outside "Nuke Here NOW range" would fare...
I remember reading somewhere years ago in the event of the Cold War turning hot, that both the U.S and U.S.S.R would use their spare nukes (those not already with pre-determined targets) to strike at countries that could pose a future threat or become future rivals.
So this would put Brazil, Mexico, China, India, Southern Europe, some African countries, and Australia on the map.
True, but you can buy knives, swords, guns, rifles, ammo, "health packs", farm+land for growing food, food for the next 5 years, build a community, and more.
I had some life experience with almost no food, in a cold apatrment (+5 celsius/ 41 farenheit) at winter, without Internet. Terrible 1,5 year, but I guess I learned many things back then. Now if the western world is over, I have some experience, already.
I don't believe in the "Nuke war", but I believe in the "end of the western world". If no more oil, no mor gas, no more coal, not enough food, the people goes crazy then, and the crime rate is jump up to the sky.
I bet everything looks like then like the L.A., the N.Y., the Chicago or the Detroit ghetto, just without fast food, heating, moving cars and electricity, but much more violence.
I get some money soon, I'm going to buy at least 1 or 2 rifles or pistols, ammo, 1 plate carries and other survival items and gears.
Yes, I thought about the possibility of this, but would't that be pure, total inhuman dickery? Why would someone nuke unrelated countries just to fuck things up?
Or maybe those Old White Rich Man First Wolder Snobs who control everything won't like to go to a bunker and return only to find that their once-puppets are now the ones who steer the course of the human race?
Its year 2066...
- We're the former govermanent of the United States of America in this bunker, and... *BANG*
- [Shaddap. There's no more United States of America. Its dead. This is all territory of the New Mexican Republic, from Panama to Canada.]
I improved my lockpick skill much. I will own gun from hunters shot using that skill.
After, that, i will shoot only in eyes and sometimes groin.
Thanks to Fallout
Well, a nuclear war is total inhuman dickery, so if you have to taste it, why not share it with all the others?
But yeah, I agree, I personaly wouldn't be happy to survive a nuclear war just to become the slave of an ex mmh... satellite state which would have been less hit than mine. All the fight for survival and for rebuilding my country would become meaningless.
What the hell is southern Europe by the way?
I would definitely die, whether by the nukes, the following radiation or a flood. I don't expect any nukes to hit nearby, due to a lack of strategic targets in the farmer's province I live in (except for a military airfield 18 miles away), but radiation poisoning is quite possible if Amsterdam or nearby cities in Germany are hit. But the sea also poses an enormous threat if a nuke hits the dikes or if a tsunami is caused in the North Sea.
But even if I manage to survive all that and a few months/years of nuclear fallout and the following nuclear summer (stay in the shade or die!) I don't think I will have a better chance of survival thanks to playing Fallout. Unless I happen to encounter a group of Horned Kangaroos or Wanamingos, while escorting a watercaravan in my power armor, ofcourse.
The problem here is that real-life survival is completely different from videogame survival. Actual guns take a lot more effort, time, and spare parts to repair. Treating wounds and injuries is far more complex that just using a stimpak. The list goes on and on. On the other hand, we would have a better idea on how exactly to build up a wasteland settlement, establish a new currency, build a new government, and all those other things. I essence, by playing Fallout 1 or 2, we would be better at the big-picture things, but we'd be just as screwed as everybody else when it comes to individual survival.
People who play video games will finally get the girls after the apocalypse.
Unless we become genderless super mutants...
An interesting debate on the matter, coutesy of the Onion
I've already been preparing for a zombie apocalypse, and i read an SAS survival manual when i'm going shroomin'. Does that count? Do i get to live!!?
The most important thing in survival is motivation.
And so I know I would survive.
Playing Fallout 3 has taught us all a lot of important lessons - actually, have a look in the Fallout 3 forum, I think it currently has over 250 items - such as, children are invincible, so make lots of em!
But on a more serious note..
I joined a paramilitary organization. I excercise daily. I shot a lot of western and eastern firearms, both static and dynamic shooting. Me and my squad can march 90 km in one day (60km for sustainable day-to-day marching). All of us have trained either combat 56 or krav maga, have undergone military survival/parachuting/diving courses. This summer we're hoping to undergo another survival course and doing a cold weather survival course in the winter in the beautiful polish south mountains.
I have a ton of tried and tested equipment for various situations. I've got snares that I've built and tested, fishing kits that actually caught fish, and know the taste of some of the more repulsive shit no civilized man would ever think of as food.
But all that's moot anyway, as when the commies from Russia come for Europe, they'll have so much momentum from Stalingrad they won't notice they just ran over Poland.
- "Hey Boris, map says we be going into Poland now?"
- "What is that Ivan? I think we pass it already!"
My machine core never gets those human jokes ... so I'll just answer:
Have you ever seen npcs or the pc in fallout struggle for search of water and food or other resources that are hard to get in a world where the resource chains have broken down ? Did the player need to eat or drink ? - because that's the first problem you would get in real fallout world.
Have you seen the player counteracting on radiation while traveling ? Is it standart vault equip ? - No, how stupid - you would eat a lot of rems per day by breathing, drinking and eating, so your prime vault expedition equip would be geiger counter for food and drink and a air filter mask for radiated particles - better a biohazard body suit to avoid skin radiation absorption. And a high tec med bag with lots of medicaments to absorb radicals inside your blood system and organs.
And that was only about breathing, drinking, eating ... not about wildlife survival with scouting, field-surgery, hunting, etc.
Fallout really never was a survival game or playing radiation survival in a wasteland with nuclear fallout ,,, so whenever you hear (better not see them or instant game over) about those mushrooms rising in real life - quickly forget about this game or you'll have far worse chances than those who never played this game.
Forget completely about Fallout 3 - it's even less survival than the older Fallout games and absolut ridiculous other than being a deep exploration shooter.
Fallout doesn't help us survive at all, by itself at least. It might however inspire people to undertake real survivalism.
There's a game called Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl for example. What if, supposedly, that game inspired a certain guy to actually break into the Zone of Alienation in Chernobyl and hike almost a week there without external supplies?
I'd say yes, to a certain extent. It won't make us the perfect Wastelander, but still compared to people who never gamed, we sure know the basics.
Think of this, why would the nuking world allow a country to escape unscated and become the new post-war's most powerfull country?
All the reasons you mentioned are EXACTY the reasons why you will be nuked to shit. Not the US perhaps, but China or Russia will.
I live in a crowded country so my first priority is to get away from the fucking masses of morons. Go alone like Fallout.