Best Fallout Intro (Cinematic)?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Brycen, May 31, 2017.

What was the best Fallout intro (cinematic) by comparison?

  1. Fallout

    32 vote(s)
    65.3%
  2. Fallout 2

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  3. Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  4. Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Fallout 3

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  6. Fallout: New Vegas

    10 vote(s)
    20.4%
  7. Fallout 4

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  1. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Wow... so much tryhard hate towards NV. Trying to be some new kind of edge-lord, Someguy? Because none of your points actually work

    It's still set in a world ruined by nukes. It's just that Vegas fell apart due to complete societal collapse and anarchy as a result of said nukes destroying all form of conventional civilization. It's still post-nuclear but only because society fell apart as a result of nuclear war, not directly due to nuclear war.

    EDIT: Nope, you did not cite proper sources (discussions and forums, really?) and uses Wikipedia of all things for definitions. It does not prove anything except for your love of cherry-picking points that suit their agenda (and willfully ignoring others who disagreed in said discussions and forums) which anyone could do but knows better to not do.
    Assessment: "Enough said" is too preemptively :roffle:.

    EDIT: In fact, I can copy your MO too except I will pre-face it and acknowledge it as a discussion rather than conclusive proof; here is a link to a discussion on Reddit on post-post apocalyptic world building and examples of it:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding/comments/3b01i2/postpostapocalyptic_is_that_right/

    I like how you purposefully ignored other people who disagreed with those headlines/topic titles and argued back against it but go ahead and maintain your narrative for your own agenda. It is clearly 'not' disingenuous and not misrepresenting the truth but go ahead and keep lying about it.

    The world is a post-post-apocalyptic world like @R.Graves said. The world has recovered from the nuclear apocalypse and some of its consequences (not all, like lawlessness and hostile environments) to rebuild. Keeping it post-nuclear after 200 years has passed keeps the franchise and setting quite stale and underdeveloped.

    You clearly did not read the part where it was mentioned how Mr House forcibly united the tribes and had the New Vegas aspect of Vegas rebuilt and restored to astound newcomers like the NCR.

    Plus look at Freeside; that area is in ruins with a few buildings restored and some completely rubble.

    The world was reset by the Great War and recovered since then to the point of new nations forming. Nations in need of new lands and resources. The Mojave region is mostly untapped (with Hoover Dam in mind) and since the world is a post-post nuclear apocalypse one, the Mojave is a new frontier like the rest of unexplored America.

    Why else would there be expansion towards new territories if not for similar reasons to what led to the kind of emigration that created the American Old West? Plus it would be time to get new tracks to fit the new elements and shift with old tracks still in it to make some kind of post-post-apocalyptic Western. A hybrid of post-apocalypse and Western with a touch of concept advancement since the world is clearly no longer a fresh post-apocalyptic one anymore (plus the whole Bethesda wanting their timeline and all).

    Also, the actual areas hit with nukes in the base game begs to differ since they do have substantial levels of radiation for a setting that seems to not pull off 'post nuclear'. In addition, there is a lore reason for the region being different than others; an excuse perhaps but a pretty good excuse all things considered.

    That does make me wonder where the series can go after New Vegas (and discounting 4 which did not go anywhere but merely wallowed in one spot). New energy and/or food crisis for the NCR? Legion lands in civil war? Expansion to lands beyond the North American continent?
     
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  2. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Well one set in the territory of a proper raider dictatorship could be interesting. That or a whole game set in an inhospitable area similar to the pitt. Either way you could have rebels (in the case of the raider scenario) or an outside force trying to fix the inhospitable location (where maybe only natives can live) via drastic measures for colonization the outside force developed a special breather or drug and sent you in to negotiate. There's your conflict in either case. Either idea could be tweaked and fleshed out to make for a great fallout experience I think.
     
  3. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I get the feeling that this is what Bethesda would do to New York minus the whole colonization part. You'd probably be a vault dweller again and inexplicably be immune to the low level radiation in the region (yet be affected by normal radiation hotspots) without any special breathers/drugs.
     
  4. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Dec 6, 2016
    ok, so take it to the letter and do not bother anymore.

    FNV is a spin off with a Western theme. Good enough for you? Or the problem is that many (myself included) find NV the best game in the franchise?
     
  5. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I think the problem for Brycen here is that NV is listed under main series now and probably wants to convince others it is a mere spin-off while having issue that so many (myself as well) like NV as well despite its flaws and limitations.
     
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  6. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Bethesda doesn't go back in time. They said that multiple times. Just like TES6 will never be set before Skyrim and Co. new Fallout titles won't take place before the older ones.

    I don't comment on the rest, because I am too lazy and it's kinda pointless.
     
  7. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    929
    Dec 6, 2016
    Oh yeah, and we have 4 dlc´s, all of then suits really well in a post-nuclear scenario.
     
  8. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Then what would be the plot? Itd have to be somewhere with resources. Where in anerica is abundant in resources? Invading army from mexico? Is baja in mexico? They've mentioned baja... Idk.
     
  9. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    Still think this discussion should be in another thread.
     
  10. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Like I said if Bethesda was handling the plot, they'd ignore logical ways for the story to develop (like colonising viable resource-rich lands for resources etc.) in favour using places they consider 'cool' no matter how illogical it may be.
     
  11. Brycen

    Brycen First time out of the vault

    51
    May 30, 2017
    If you read the early discussions on this very forum, you'll notice people felt that the Fallout franchise started veering off the "post nuclear" tone set by the original since as early as Fallout 2.

    This is a quote from one of the early (year 2000) discussions:

    [T]hey turned Fallout . . . into 'pop poop' - random encounters are really a bit too often, and sometimes too crazy (crashed whale? Startreck shuttle? Mad cows? Knights? 'Tin Man'?), . . . and most of all, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore - that is, I don't feel like this is a world after nuclear war. More like one of these multiple fantasy RPGs that flooded the market. . . .​

    This is from the E3 2010 interview: "[Fallout: New Vegas] is not a direct sequel."—Senior Producer of Fallout: New Vegas. Combined with it feeling more like a Western than "post nuclear", it's closer to being a spin-off.
     
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  12. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    So your point is that games starting from Fallout 2 onwards are spin-offs rather than sequels?

    All because the setting shifted from post-nuclear to post-post apocalypse does not negate it as a sequel since a good sequel is capable of advancing the setting and leaps off from the sequel while a bad sequel wallows too much in the original. If the series remained stuck being all miserable and not advancing the setting past nuclear devastation, it will become stale and unoriginal which is why 2 and New Vegas were different from 1. Also, it is good that the game labelled as a spin-off is popularly regarded as a direct sequel, meaning it did something right.

    Also, nice archive dig there. If you haven't figured it out yet, 2 is not the prized cow of the series here (it's 1 or NV btw). For the most part, 2 gets a lot of flack despite how much love it gets for those pop-culture references.

    Meanwhile, I wonder why Brycen is still trying to deviate topic from best intro cinematic.

    For the record, 1 wins for me for setting up the setting and the main task so summarily. I do like 2 (summarily explains the main task and the brutality of the new antagonists) and New Vegas (summarily explains the current conflict, the advances of the setting and your predicament) though not as much as 1. 3 was not too bad when I first saw it but not good on the re-watch either.

    4 was simply dull (plus no Ron Perlman narration so it fails on a fundamental level to boot and implied that the female PC is not the canonical choice since she does not get to narrate).
     
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  13. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    What are you talking about? He has very good points, he's made good ones in the past such as:

    I mean how can you think he's not being serious?
     
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  14. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    When he started using forum posts to justify his points and cherry-picked a few while ignoring the other points raised in those posts, Brycen lost me as a serious speaker.

    That and posts like these from his other thread:
    EDIT: I totally fell for that bait, didn't I? :lmao: I'll accept flack for not reading @Prone Squanderer's post properly.
     
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  15. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Of course, because not the entirety of the Fallout series is a western.

    If one specific game in a franchise that wasn't originally a western decides to adopt mild western themes, it really isn't the end of the world.
    Fine then.

    I don't see why a Fallout game is incompatible with a western theme.

    It's entirely possible to keep the Fallout spirit alive even with western themes.
    It's set after a nuclear war, which destroyed most of the known world, and is about factions fighting over a perfectly preserved dam in an otherwise desolate waste filled with apocalyptic monsters.

    That is as post-apocalyptic and as post-nuclear as you can get.
    It is possible to be both genres.

    Post Apocalypse are generally about hostile lawless wastelands.

    Westerns are generally about hostile, lawless deserts.

    The two are very compatible genres.
    There is always going to be at least one person who thinks a game doesn't handle the genre correctly.

    Just because some people agree with you about Fallout, doesn't make you right.
    That's only because Bethesda had taken over the franchise, and lost of casual fans were expecting the East Coast Fallout 3 to be the main series. It's not a direct sequel to Fallout 3, and the Fallout Bethesda established.

    It is very much a sequel to Fallout 1 and 2.
     
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  16. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
    @CerberusGate I always thought F2 was the sacred cow of the franchise.
     
  17. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
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    Apr 24, 2005
    Some say it is, some say it isn't. You find voices for both sides. Me personally, it can't top Fallout 1. Guess it depends on which of the two you've played first.
     
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  18. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    I'd say Fallout 2 is pretty much on the same level as New Vegas, and is almost able to capture the atmopshere of Fallout 1.

    Not perfect, and has lots of flaws, but is definitely a brilliant game.
     
  19. joevonzombie

    joevonzombie Buried alive in Golgotha

    595
    Sep 28, 2015
    It's adorable that you clearly know how to do a google image search, but you should probably actually watch The Road Warrior because it's very much a western. George Miller was quite deliberate in that. Also a good portion of the quests throughout the entire series derive their structure from A Fistful of Dollars.
     
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  20. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I'd say not even close.