Can a game's fanbase/over exposure ruin the game itself?

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Mr muggyman 3000, Jul 27, 2016.

can a bad fanbase ruin a good game?

  1. Yes they can

    45.5%
  2. No they can't

    40.9%
  3. I would answer this poll, but another settlement Needs my help.

    9.1%
  4. I don't give a fuck

    4.5%
  1. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

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    May 3, 2016
    I've been thinking about this subject a lot lately. It seems everytime you go to YouTube there's always some stupid minecraft music video, or a five night a Freddy's jumpscare compilation trending. I used to really like minecraft/fnaf I thought they were good indie games that were fairly unique, and creative, but with the constant saturation of both games. I can't even stomach the thought of playing either of them again.

    Every time I try to play minecraft/fnaf i feel like I've been playing for hours on end, even though I just played for 5 minutes.

    Don't get me started on their fanbase's. I once made A comment on the fnaf Reddit about how the sequels are just the first game with a new coat of paint. I instantly got down voted to oblivion, and got called a faggot at least half a dozen times.

    What do y'all think about fanbase's/over exposure. Do you think they can effect the quality of the game, or do you thing they don't have any effect?
     
  2. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    It certainly doesn't affect the game quality, but rather how others/you see it, based on what people are telling you and how they talk about it. It either became saturated because you're getting something from people constantly talking about it/reading discussions and conversations online and/or anywhere else, or what people tell you about it/hype affect your expectations to it.

    For prime example, Undertale. People getting, "BEST GAEM EVUR!" from the fanbase came to the game expecting 'something', probably not even knowing if it has bullet-hell gameplay, only to find out they didn't like bullet-hell before it's too late. Etc etc.
     
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  3. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    I dunno...A lot of people complained that Fallout 3 didn't have good FPS mechanics, asked for more crafting stuff, Aliens, etc, complained about RPG mechanics being hard to understand or boring. Fallout 4 plays suspiciously like Bethesda listened to the most casual of their fans when making the game.
     
  4. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Yes, games like Fallout and Mass Effect have gotton progressively worse and more causalized as the fanbase became larger and more casual (and more profitable). On the flip side theres also companies who listen closely to their core fans and because of that they can make a better game because of it.
     
  5. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    If we're talking about next/future iterations, then it certainly would. Thing is, Mr muggyman's talking about a specific, currently existing game, and its quality, rather than how a fanbase affect how a series would fare and what direction it would be going.

    On sidenote, OP was also talking about the later entries of FNAF, so yeah.
     
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  6. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    Then I guess the whole Mass Effect 3 ending thing might qualify.

    Or perhaps Final Fantasy VII? I mean FF7 fans are so hardcore they basically willed the remake into existence. I sure hope that game turns out great but I'm not sure remaking it can ever really recreate what made that game so special to so many people.

    Also I guess a terrible fanbase for multiplayer games can definitely ruin the game.
     
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  7. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

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    May 3, 2016
    I don't really consider final fantasy to be over saturated. You don't see a bunch of final fantasy music videos/parodies/ bad fan fiction being uploaded constantly, or Least not to the degree of fnaf or minecraft.
     
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  8. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    Well in terms of overexposure/saturation, I'd definitely say that certain spamdrone applies. You know the one. "SALUTATIONS!"
     
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  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I've been called a faggot 2,481 times on reddit just for expressing my opinion... I keep an excel sheet.
     
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  10. Radiosity

    Radiosity Writiosity

    464
    Sep 9, 2015
    Especially when they've already stated it'll be different to the original. I mean, anyone with a brain knew it'd be real-time combat of some sort and likely lose the overmap and similar things, but for me a lot of the enjoyment came from stuff like the ATB battles and roaming the world map. On the other hand, I'm also interested in what they come up with, who knows, they might surprise.

    But I keep my expectations firmly in check, I dislike Square's direction intensely and have done for a long time now.

    People asked for a remake, now they're getting it... and I can't help but wonder if the 'fans' are possibly going to regret asking in the first place.
     
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  11. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    Well if you don't preface every single one of your posts with "FALLOUT 4 IS THE GREATEST GAME EVER MADE AND BETHESDA IS THE GREATEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD AND YOU'RE JUST AN ENTITLED WHINER IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE!" then that will happen over there. Seriously the Fallout section of that place is infested with fanboys. I'd rather view the Bethesda forums at this point than read comments from there.

    So yea i'd say the vocal majority of ultra casuals can easily have an effect on a game developed strictly for the ultra casual gamer.
     
  12. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    @Irwin John Finster, this place is filled with fanboys as well. We're just a different type of fan. We realize that no work is flawless and its possible to greatly enjoy something even if its shit (Howard the duck for me) but you gotta admit when it's shit.
     
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  13. Mr muggyman 3000

    Mr muggyman 3000 Lover of coffe cups

    294
    May 3, 2016
    I fucking loved Howard the duck as a kid. It's definitely My second favorite guilty pleasure movie(first being the bill and Ted movies)
     
  14. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I'm of the opinion that a fanbase would not ruin a game on its own but it would definitely give said game a bad rep. The way some fans gush or become rabidly defensive over a game before shoving it into the faces of others certainly is annoying and may ruin any first impressions of a game (i.e look at the number of people turned off to Undertale because their fanbase is a cancerous mass that I dislike immensely (which puts me in an odd position since I liked Undertale before the fanbase emerged and ruined the game's reputation)).

    Then again, there are games that show how a fanbase could hurt a game (like FO4's casual fanbase that are rabidly defensive of its horrid features or FNAF's ever-demanding fanbase that seems to force Cawthorn to churn out more sequels) so maybe the poll should have a fifth option that says "Yes and no".
     
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  15. daveyd

    daveyd First time out of the vault

    48
    Jun 4, 2016
    I think I would love it if my favorite games became wildly popular. If say, Age of Decadence got some major publicity bump and became one of the best selling indie games of all time... Not only would that give the developer (ITS) plenty of funds for their next major game project (Colony Ship RPG), there'd be many other developers being influenced by AoD and trying to emulate it... Obviously, that's much easier said than done, but I'd rather live in a world with a bunch of AoD clones than this world full of Diablo clones, Souls clones, Shooter / RPGs, etc.

    Every great TV show / film / video game, etc. has some asshole fans. They don't make the product any less enjoyable though. Don't really care what people think except to the extent that it impacts whether more awesome art gets made. And even if something initially obscure becomes ultra-popular, you can always brag about how you liked it before it was cool... :smug:
     
  16. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    While the Dark Souls series is probably my favorite current series of games, with DkS 1 easily being in my top 5 of best games ever, I kinda hate most of the fanbase. Just take a look on YouTube on DkS videos. 70% is pvp:ers who only play the games for pvp duels, 20% is pvp trolls, 5% are people stealing lore videos from each other. The remaining 5% are people who actually create good, original content.

    Worst I've seen was some pretty popular pvp:er who went on and on about how he wished the Souls games would get rid of everything else but the melee brawling. No classes, no magic, no ranged weapons, just melee pvp with a shit ton of weapons. Yeah buddy, that's exactly what Dark Souls is all about...
     
  17. Crossfire

    Crossfire Banned

    491
    Jun 14, 2016
    Maybe a better way to phrase the question would be:

    "Can a game's fanbase/over exposure ruin the franchise itself?"

    ...and I would say yes, yes it can.
     
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  18. Yeah, like PVP such a big aspect of the games lol. It's fun and takes some stress out of the game progression and you get in some fun situatios (a summoned red phantom helped me vanquish 13 invaders of all kinds and flavours), but it's wonky AF and not to be taken that seriously, maybe like Minecraft's. A PvP centered Souls could be interesting, but no more than a Spinoff.
    Fuck Chameleon/Prop Hunt trolls, really.
    As Youtubers, not much to see beyond VaatiVidya and Criken (Edward Emberpants FTW), and your favourite Let's player.

    Luckily, From Soft doesn't listen that much the fanbase, except for mechanic improvements, balances, etc., and that is when they aren't fucking up playstyles :D

    In-fanbase though, sometimes it gets less accessible than a Cult. Instead of helping newbies, they usually give a "Git gud", "$@&?!♥$ noob" and more. Maybe this is why i can't find a Soulsborne forum besides Reddit.
     
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  19. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    I'd much rather read comments here than a given section of that place.

    In fact, I'd rather read 1000 youtube comments from MrMatty videos than look through that place. The stupidity is actually hazardous to your health over there. People jumping through hoops doing mental gymnastics to defend Wasteland Workshop, voiced protagonist, and other Fallout 4 garbage.

    The amount of mental gymnastics and rationalization people will go through to make Fallout 4 not be a major disappointment is telling about how badly Bethesda destroyed this franchise with Fallout 4. You didn't see Gopher making a video titled "Is Fallout: New Vegas a good game?" because he didn't have to, but Fallout 4 was so screwed up that he was compelled to make a video asking the question "Is Fallout 4 a good game?"

    But better to stay on topic - youtube spam and loud fanboys ruin games. Just look at what happened with console modding for Fallout 4.
     
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  20. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    You forgot the one with an Epic Name, Bro.