Cant wait for Fallout Las Vegas

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Cloudyrains, Aug 24, 2009.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am positive about New Vegas but also remain careful with any "hopes" since its very likely that Bethesda has a role as (I guess) supervisor and New Vegas is 1. using Fallout 3/Oblivions engine AND 2. its using for the most part Fallout 3s skill system which is pretty bad in my eyes.

    So to say it that way the story better is really great to compensate the other 2 factors namely graphic and most important the skill system.
     
  2. Verevoof

    Verevoof Cryptid oTO Moderator Orderite

    Jul 12, 2009
    Well, in terms of the engine, I think that if there is a capable team working with it, it could yield some good results. Of course, there must be that elusive "capable team" in the equation.

    Where does it say that Fallout 3's skill system is being used? I know in all likelihood that it is that system or based off it, but I just want to know where that is said. I was kind of hoping that they would go back to old the skill system, or something close, but... I don't know.
     
  3. Holiace

    Holiace First time out of the vault

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    Dec 4, 2009
    I'm only 19 so I never played the earlier Fallout games. Fallout 1 doesn't work and I've tried fallout 2 but I don't see how turn based battles would improve New Vegas compared to Fallout 3.

    Turn based battles is for games like Advance Wars and Final Fantasy.

    I don't mind if they change some stuff up for New Vegas as long as it stays an action RPG :)

    This engine is both good and bad. Sure, it's starting to look old but it is VERY mod friendly.
     
  4. Ravager69

    Ravager69 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 21, 2007
    I'm 20 and have played both many times. I doubt that a year makes that much of a diffrence.

    As for the engine's looking old...I gues it's about how you handle it (compare Neverwinter Nights and the Witcher).
     
  5. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Everyone his taste Holiace, but I honestly couldn't care if you did not liked the Fallout series because they were all turned based hard CRPGs rather than Action/Adventures with Stat Elements.

    Turn based is not only for strategy games.
     
  6. Holiace

    Holiace First time out of the vault

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    Dec 4, 2009
    I did mention Final Fantasy, which is an RPG.

    Fallout 2 is not bad, not by any means. It's not about the graphics or about how many pixels you use for the models. It's all about the atmosphere, or that is how I look at Fallout 3.

    I can't get Fallout 1 to work on my XP computer from 2002 so I can't try it to see if I'd like it or not.
     
  7. Zeronet

    Zeronet It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Apr 26, 2003
    Obsidian games might be buggy, but you can't fault the writing or quests they usually have. Mask of the Betrayer was pretty good imo.

    Google a fix, I,ve got it working fine on XP.
     
  8. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
  9. Ravager69

    Ravager69 Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 21, 2007
    Is that so? Care to elaborate on how Fallout 3 has a good atmosphere, what do you like in it, what you do not etc.?
     
  10. Hamenaglar

    Hamenaglar It Wandered In From the Wastes

    100
    Jun 2, 2009
    anything would improve over the sh*t that VATS is.
     
  11. Nark

    Nark Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Dec 6, 2008
    Yet before Fallout 3, people would have said "Turn based battles are for games like Fallout, Advance Wars and Final Fantasy". Your opinion on that is void in so many ways.
     
  12. Ninjerk

    Ninjerk First time out of the vault

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    Nov 8, 2008
    1000 times better.

    I wonder if I could bother you to rehash the basic idea behind whatever that discussion was about? I'm pretty sure the only Obsidian game I ever played was KOTOR2, and once I got one of my playthroughs past the first level (the nav computer was bugged a lot of times, not letting me go anywhere) I loved it, but I never felt I got a complete picture of what Obsidian was like as a studio.

    I think ignorant is a pretty concise descriptor for that statement.
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Thats what I have read somewhere when I still cared about posting in the Bethesda Forum.

    I dont remember the source anymore and everything in detail, but if my memory doesnt fail me I think one of the conditions in the deal with Obsidion for New Vegas by Bethesda was that the game should be very close to Bethesdas Fallout 3 skill wise. Maybe someome has other informations or some source even?
     
  14. Holiace

    Holiace First time out of the vault

    20
    Dec 4, 2009
    All I'm saying is that I like fiction based in post apocalyptic, steampunk or even cyberpunk worlds. That is one of the biggest reasons why I like Fallout 3 so much.

    I just couldn't get in to Oblivion nor Morrowind, not because I'm not a fan of Fantasy but because they did not draw me in like Fallout 3 did. I think that Fallout 3's "atmosphere" is great, everything is 1950's, dark and "dystopian". Sure, it might lack the style of the previous Fallout games but I like it anyway. I wouldn't mind if New Vegas becomes more of an RPG than Fallout 3 is, especially outside of battle. I want SPECIAL to make much more of a difference to my character.

    Also, RPG's are much better for storytelling than first person shooters are since they (should) draw you in and make you care about the story and its characters. However, I don't think that a RPG needs to be turn based since I love some fast paced action that a FPS provides.


    [ / run on sentences and a bunch of random non-related opinions ]
     
  15. Burtolio

    Burtolio First time out of the vault

    6
    Oct 17, 2008
    Hiya folks,

    First off, let me introduce myself. I guess you'd describe me as a Fallout (the real Fallout aka not no. 3) Fanboy. Fallout 1 + 2 are my favourite games and I feel that they are the benchmark by which all other games should be judged! I love this forum because most of the folk here are REAL Fallout fans! On a side note, does anyone have the official Fallout 2 guide!!???? The only reason that I don't post on these forums is that its too nostalgic for me and also reminds of the sorry state of the gaming industry!

    I decided to post because I found a glimmer of hope inside me when I read up on Fallout: New Vegas - the same hope I felt when Fallout 3 was announced (and before I read into it, ie the devs). The hope that was lost and then turned to anger and disgust when I played Fallout 3 (which I REALLY regret buying and returning because I feel sick to have given any money to Beth).

    So, waht do the real Fallout fans say?? Will Vegas be a real Fallout game!? I can't imagine it will but one can only hope.


    Cloudyrains, have you played Planescape: Torment??? Probably have I guess but if not play it! Its the only game that has the same feel as Fallout: Your choices/actions don't have as much of an impact as in Fallout, but the world is very immersive, the rpg elements are good, and probably most importantly is that the dialogue is well written, funny and involving.

    Maybe I'll post again. Peace out anyway.

    ...J...
     
  16. BR4ZIL

    BR4ZIL Still Mildly Glowing

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    Feb 22, 2008
    I just had to put this up:

    Ok, first age has nothing to do with it, i am 14 (almost 15 now) and i prefer Fallout 1 & 2 over the shitty 3, its not about improvement, its about taste, and in this case if new vegas were turn based it would be more "true" to the series.

    Sure it LOOKS great, but if you start questioning some things (like why super heroes/super mutants/chinese ramnants/"many more inconsistencies" are there) you will find no aswer and if you look really into it there is really no reasonable background story behind it, which plain sucks. I dunno about you but for me "GRAPHIX!" dont mean shit.

    True but Fallout 3 is not a example of how a mix of FPS with RPG work (makes me remember the "i shoot the guy 15 times in the head and he doesnt die" topic) a very good example of how a FPS-RPG mix should work is Deus Ex 1 (althrough Deus Ex is more focused on the FPS side).

    Hey Burtolio, i wouldnt put my hope very high, it can only end up in more disappointment (thats a sad truth :( ) but who i am to say anything, maybe we will get our Van Buren after all :D .
     
  17. Ausdoerrt

    Ausdoerrt I should set a custom tit

    Oct 28, 2008
    Or is it? I think many people, especially on this board, would disagree in many ways, but that's a completely different argument. Also, I can't consider main FF-series gameplay "TB", and FFT and like are definitely "strategy games", so there.


    TBH, I don't see why a certain type of gameplay should be limited to a certain genre. I could say just this, for example: Fallout 3 should have had no skills, skills are for games like Dragon Age and stuff, not for FPS like Fallout. See what I did there? There's just so many wrong things about making statements like that.

    Depends on what sort of storytelling we're talking about. IMSCO, FPS and adventure games are heaps better for linear, cinematic storytelling than RPG - it's like watching an action/adventure movie. RPGs on the other hand should be "interactive novels" of sort - to an extent, at least - because that's what separates it from other genres.
     
  18. Eon

    Eon First time out of the vault

    9
    Jul 3, 2004
    I hope Obsidian does a good job on Fallout New Vegas. I really like the Fallout world. Fallout 1 and 2 are probably still my favorites but I did enjoy Fallout 3. From what I have seen and read so far I think I will also like Fallout New Vegas.
     
  19. Falloutsurvivor

    Falloutsurvivor First time out of the vault

    70
    Feb 9, 2010
    agreed.

    fallout 3 immersion was better in my opinion.
     
  20. Danilh

    Danilh It Wandered In From the Wastes

    178
    Dec 21, 2008
    I disagree

    I used to think that way, until i looked back and thought about the [spoiler:46f868b2be]"fetch quantum cola" quest, Three Dog(what is related to the 50's in that character???), VAMPIRES, nobody giving a fuck about you blowing up an atomic bomb in a town, people letting the "scourge of the wastes" in their city(level 20 title for evil characters i think), mini nuke launchers, giant robots, giant mutants, ogrish super mutants, children holding said mutants back, convincing machines into suicide and lots of other stuff[/spoiler:46f868b2be]

    If you take that fine, good for you, but i can't simply ignore it.

    As for Fallout : New Vegas, this is the last time i trust a game developer to do something good about Fallout. If Obsidian fails, all hope is lost for me and i shall never get my hopes up for anything fallout again(except for the 2238 MMO)