Fallout 4 announced with official trailer

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Sander, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. Continental Op

    Continental Op First time out of the vault

    Jun 3, 2015
    Is it really that common? I can't think of any examples where the fictional world remains at the same level of technology regardless of passage of time aside from maybe old cartoons. And even if it were common, that doesn't make it a good or an effective plot device. Most people would argue the the opposite. And thats not true, we only saw no technological and social changes in Fallout 3, and hopefully Fallout 4 will be different in that aspect (in parts of the trailer it looks to be the case). Things need to change for new issues to be explored, or else you're just left with a stagnating setting and the same issues you had last time. I can't speak for anybody else, but I'm not asking it be realistic like having the exact half-life of plutonium, but at the very least it should make sense and the world should develop. The tagline isn't 'The plot, the plot never changes' :razz:.

    I disagree. In order for a franchise to be unique, it is up to the writers to take a unique direction moving on and to expand upon the original game, rather than holding onto an aesthetic simply because that's recognisable. Fallout New Vegas was able to expand on the previous games, moving it further ahead, while also keeping the aesthetic. Sticking to a formula makes it the opposite of unique, because there's nothing different or special about it. I would have thought that's a given.
  2. Marionettetc

    Marionettetc Banned

    May 15, 2013
    Do you know the definition of the term "Cognitive Dissonance"?

    Because the mental gymnastics you're performing to justify Fallout 4's reveal are absolutely stunning.

    Also, No mutants allowed has most likely been around longer than you and the "Fallout community" doesn't owe you anything.
  3. I eat supermutants

    I eat supermutants I'm your friend, Jesus.

    Nov 30, 2013
    Good christ it's already a top seller on Steam...:twitch:
  4. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

    Jan 28, 2013
    Fallout New Vegas: Dead Money did not lie.

    The hardest part in life is letting go of anything or anyone you love.
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  5. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Nov 2, 2013
    I think you misunderstood what I said. I wasn't suggesting that future titles shouldn't expand upon the original games (on the contrary where it should happen, in FO1 we explored the desolated setting, in FO2 we focused on "rebuilding" societies and in FO3 we seen the rise of the state ). I was addressing the common complaints about off-screen illogical or non-scientific inconsistencies, noting that they are "intentional" and if necessary can be easily explained within the setting.

    As for stasis, you probably familiar with few of those examples: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalStasis


    Why is that so surprising ?
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  6. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Everyone's always complaining that pre-ordering enables game developers to release bug-ridden, unfinished games, and yet, people do it all the time.
    Well, I guess they know it's Bethesda and that they will get a buggy release anyway.
  7. Makta

    Makta The DICKtator

    Jul 29, 2010
    Heck even if it would have been the best game ever i would not pre-order it.. I never pre order game and i've onle gone into 1 early accese ever and that was 1 to much.
  8. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Nov 2, 2013
    A. I don't know about everyone, I never pre-oder. I will buy FO4, but only when it reach GOTY status with DLC included.
    B. I loved NMA but I dont try to delude myself that our opinion matters that much.. When the trailer first hit I googled it, and by the time we had 26 post Kotaku had 800+ with 500+ recommends... those are the people who'll by the game and hopefully will make FO:"NV2"possible.
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  9. Emperor

    Emperor Simplesmente Rajuma

    Aug 4, 2013
  10. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    I don't.
    Cain, Boyarsky, MCA, Taylor, Sawyer et al ain't walkin' through that door.

    Todd and Pete are.

    We've all seen the slippery slope that is the Todd Howard school of diminishing RPG returns. You give this guy solid RPGs and it's like he's trying to reverse-engineer a FPS out of them. Like giving a tribal a rifle and watching him dismantle it and use the barrel as a blowgun.

    I'm weary of the talk and the promises and the gimmicks and the shiny toys and the bullshit. It's been going on for a decade. I passed on Fallout3 and I'll pass on this one too.
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  11. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Blade Runner references will be plenty.
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  12. Emperor

    Emperor Simplesmente Rajuma

    Aug 4, 2013
    Do they dream of electric sheep?
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  13. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Voiced protagonist would suck because, among other things, user-made quests will be jarringly silent or badly dubbed by modders. Bleh.
  14. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    I don't think the voice acting would come into play all that much. Considering the leak from last year to be true, there will be possibility of sex change after the main quest. My guess is that the dialogue system will be the same, with the protagonist being silent most of the time, but he will talk at key times during the main quest.
    I still find it hard to believe that Bethesda would stray from their usual formula so much. They never made a story-driven RPG before. They must know that the main appeal of their games are hiking-simulation and anime-dickgirl-mods.
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  15. WorstUsernameEver

    WorstUsernameEver But best title ever!

    May 28, 2010
    It's not. It's someone on Reddit having fun at the expense of gullible fans. Nothing about that leak is credible except details that were also leaked by Kotaku (who claimed there'd be a gender choice for the protagonist), and that user even claimed to be responsible for the Kotaku leak, something Jason Schreier categorically denied. Plus, the roadmap is all wrong and includes lol-worthy bits like a spin-off developed by the developers of Naughty Bear. Stop giving it airtime, please.
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  16. mdf_365

    mdf_365 Wasteland Pleb

    Jun 2, 2015
    This idea kinda dials in on the multi-character element from GTAV for me - could be cool to have a Fallout story unfold that way.
  17. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
  18. Bernard Bumner's corpse

    Bernard Bumner's corpse Slowly decomposing

    Jun 3, 2015
    I spent a lot of time here (as a non-corpse) waiting-and-seeing before the release of F3 - the early analysis by longer-serving regulars proved to be very close to the mark, and from the point of earliest teases. My optimism was not well-rewarded, even if I managed to be basically entertained by F3. I was wrong.

    Bethesda's writing has been steadily more and more generic for a long time now, as their obsession with "immersion" focuses on landscapes, visuals, and "intuitive" (read "simplified") mechanics. For some reason, they believe that fully voiced dialogue, even at a cost to rounded characterisation and depth of content, is more immersive. Apparently, they don't consider that plausibility and verisimilitude of dialogue are also important to immersion. Their inability to build upon the mythos is also very apparent, as they have neglected to expand narratives, choosing instead to expand the landscape - and the distance between meaningful encounters.

    Their writing, for F3, for Skyrim, is simply not innovative, even when it manages to be solid. All too often, it is derivative and soulless, even if those predictable vignettes are plentiful. NV was more intimate, simply because the writing was more plausible, even when the Strip was strangely desolate and the population centers lacked vibrancy. The DLC certainly offered much more variety, and much stronger writing - often proving that self-contained narratives within more restricted locations can be stronger, more satisfying, and more memorable emotional experiences than the sprawling, supposedly more immersive gameplay of the core F3 ​(or even NV).

    F2 was a very different game from F1, and that made it interesting, even where it was not entirely successful in terms of consistency of place and themes. Another F3 would be uninteresting even if I look past that game's faults, and F4 must therefore find a new story. The trailer doesn't suggest that.

    At the very least, the tease is a bit of a failure.
  19. Practicat

    Practicat Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Aug 25, 2014
    Wait and see for the E3 conference reveal. Look at the NMA forum for New Vegas after the debut trailer, and also for its E3 trailer. You'll find plenty of skeptic and even negative comments within them.

    The trailer from yesterday can hardly tell us anything about the quality of this game upon release. For all we know, it's a possibility that Fallout 4 will have quite good writing, meaningful decisions that have a tangible impact on the game world, and be a great Fallout game overall. And being reasonable, it's expected BGS would not show BoS or Enclave in the trailer, and I really don't even expect to see either of them in the game. Enclave remnants like in New Vegas would still be a good thing.

    Don't be tempted to jump to unjustified conclusions. Saying Fallout 4 will be bad in some way or another is just a prediction, and you can't base anything from it. When Bethesda shows gameplay at their conference, we'll have more to think about.
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  20. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Nov 2, 2013
    Sounds good to me if only you add some appropriate dog mods and play the ink spots 'I Want To Set The World On Fire'..