Fallout 4 went from Mostly Positive to Mixed in recent reviews

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Irwin John Finster, Jul 26, 2016.

  1. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Their Elder Scrolls card game is on the way. That may surpass Failout 4 as their dumbest game (seeing how they're going up against CDPR's Gwent).

    It's not over yet. The overall user reviews are still Mostly Positive and Nuka World is up next. The seeds of disgust is only now sprouting and growing but Bethesda may still win back the mindless with Nuka World.

    Unless Nuka World completely fails on arrival. Then we cheer.

    EDIT: Out of morbid curiosity, I decided to look at the comments for the highlighted Steam User reviews for Vault-Tec Workshop and as I expected, the Bethesdrones are already trying to defend it with their usual tactics and insults. It's like differing opinions don't exist in that rather cancerous mass of so-called consumers.
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2016
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  2. Borov

    Borov Just yer average gopnik

    Jul 6, 2016
    Well yeah, you cant really say "fuck you" to someone who controls every aspect of how your going to do things.Weather it would have been leaked or not, eh.... Theres also the possibility that they had to keep everything confidential. I mean, hell, they kept fallout 4 a secret for like 7 years (I think).

    Also if they mainstreamed fallout 3 then....well.....there wouldnt be any fallout 4, would there (at least from them)?
    Why zenimax would have done this now, I cant say. Probably had made so much resources from the previous games that they thought, "what the hell,lets do this!".
  3. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    The thing is why would Zenimax get involved on how Bethesda makes games but not involved in any of their other game studios?
    If they had made fallout 3 like they did fallout 4 they would have sold way more (as the sales of fallout 4 prove), most Fallout 4 players who love the game have never played a fallout game before (not even Fallout 3), so I don't see why they wouldn't have made fallout 4 if Fallout 3 would have been like it.
    And again like I said before, why do it little by little on each game? Wouldn't Zenimax want the changes right away? Why would they push Bethesda to do streamline little by little and then BAM from fallout 3 (and New Vegas to an extent) go full FPS-Action-y?
    Makes no sense to me, Bethesda was making good money, I see no reason at all Zenimax would come by and say "Even though you are having profits of millions of dollars with your latest games. We the board of Zenimax which are mostly movie and TV studio's people want you to do games this way from now on, just because.".
    Let's be honest Bethesda have been experimenting with streamlining or dumbing down their games ever since Morrowind was released (even Morrowind was more dumbed down than Daggerfall) and with each release they sold more, Skyrim and Fallout 4 prove that, so I don't see why Zenimax would push for it when Bethesda have been doing it since almost forever, little by little.
    Again, why would Zenimax do it to Bethesda but leave alone all the other game studios they also own? :scratch:
    Here are all the known game studios they own (courtesy of Wikipedia):
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  4. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    A joyous occasion.

    I wonder if TES 6 is getting pushed back as we speak, because they need to go back to the drawing board.
  5. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    Oh certainly not. They're still bragging about Fallout 4 being a "Game of the Year" quality game. Seriously look the marketing twitter some time.

    I can't wait for TES 6. They're going to do to Elder Scrolls what they did to Fallout and suddenly all the Elder Scrolls fans will be acting surprised like they never saw this coming while the rest of us have been saying they've been dumbing down their games for their last several iterations.

    Enjoy the $50 Tamriel Workshop DLC/Season Pass everyone! Because that's what the game is going to be centered around.
  6. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    I don't know if there'll be a voiced protagonist but I can definitely see them adding the stupid settlement building into the game.

    "Kiss decent world design goodbye boys."
  7. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    Honestly, we should have seen it coming with Hearthfire and the popularity of all of the steam workshop house mods for Skyrim.

    Once Bethesda realized that we weren't lying here at NMA and most of their fans just wanted a virtual dollhouse to twiddle about with and dress up little statues with armor, they doubled down hard on what was probably the cheapest to produce DLC for their last game and made most of them in that same mold for Fallout 4 (and the base game was broken to accommodate it and feature it)

    In terms of cost effectiveness, just think of how little overhead is involved in adding content and minimal feature changes to the game as compared with writing a story, paying voice actors and having your animators and map designers work for months to craft a new game area that's plausible while being small and contained enough for the purpose of dlc. All that crap takes work and money, and making a couple houses and models for household items is peanuts by comparison.

    What's crazy to me is how poorly they managed to implement their response to this trend they spotted. They cashed in hard, but they managed to piss off even their own ridiculous fans with how lackluster their offering was and how weak it looks compared to mods made by individual unpaid guys.

    That's not even taking into account comparisons to the dlc made by reputable RPG makers like cdprojekt red.
  8. Cooldawg86

    Cooldawg86 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Dec 25, 2015
    Well I get Fallout 4 a solid 6.8 out of 10. They tried a ting and I aint mad at them for it. War never changes but games and people's taste sure do.
  9. Borov

    Borov Just yer average gopnik

    Jul 6, 2016
    Why now and not earlier? I cant say.

    What I CAN say is that that kind of change in game design can very well come from a monetary way of thinking, which is trying to please the player rather than pleasing the ideals of a game designer. Fallout 3 had many characteristics that made it a "walk in the park" such as fast traveling, low level cap, easy way to start of (aka the woman who sends you all over the place so you could get some info about mirelurks so she could write a book and give you equipment for it) etc. Bethesda might have been dumbing down the games on there own, but at least they had some sort of charm to it, they were really good at making beautiful and "fascinating" game worlds.

    Fallout 4 on the other hand, as Irwin mentioned, didnt look all to impressive (depends really on who you ask, to me it just looks like a "smoother" skyrim), had a very Cliche story, bland characters, awful dialog system,....

    It added: better shooting mechanics, smoother graphics, bigger world size, power armors, settlement building,...

    All of this simply points towards making the game better for console players, casuals, extreme fallout 3 fans (aka bethsdrones). All of this after quite a few previous games which were already slowly roting away from the added unnecessary features that made the games easier.

    Bethesda collected a lot of money after all of its previous games and zenimax might have saw that pattern and simply wanted to go ALL the way and fuck the game in too its current state. I mean, what could go wrong? Bethesda already had many die hard and neutral (casual) fans that would eat the game up within the first hour of F4 release, so they were getting money no matter what they did.

    Greed can bring out the darkest depths of man.....
  10. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Well atleast that Oblivion Horse Armor DLC isn't looking as bad now.

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  11. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    At least horse armor was new asset, alright?
  12. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    They didn't just try a thing. They tried like 100 different things at once - all of which were lazy, half-finished, or downright bad - and none of them had anything to do with a Fallout RPG.

    This game is the laziest cash grab I have ever seen. People should be upset at the laziness of it and being ripped off by even more laziness with the Season Pass garbage.

    The thing they should have tried was making a Fallout game in the first place.
  13. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    Well.. I played the dayz standalone perpetual early alpha (with no visible progress in 3 years) so I can't consider this THE laziest cash grab I've seen, but it is damned close.

    I get the feeling that FO3 was the closest they will ever come to trying to make a Fallout game.
  14. SuperMutantGirl

    SuperMutantGirl First time out of the vault

    Jun 30, 2016
    I imagine if the several teams that worked on failout were united, like in constant communication with each other, and if Todd and the other fucks stayed out of the mixing bowl, maybe F4 would have been decent. Either way, this is great I love rubbing my friends face in this, hes a bit of a bethdrone ever since he got a degree in game design, fucking tool.
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  15. Erich van Loon

    Erich van Loon Polish Winged Hussar

    May 23, 2016
    So I read the title, and decided to see it for myself.

    Holy shit.
  16. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    It has a stark beauty doesn't it?
  17. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    Now the hype, rave reviews and jizzing over how long its been since FO3 has died away, people are waking up and realised its a piece of shit and Bethesda has been tremendously lazy.
  18. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    But according to Reddit we just need to let go right? It's not that we care about quality in gaming, it's just because we hate Bethesda for irrational reasons and just need to get over the fact that Fallout isn't isometric anymore right?

    Nothing to do with Bethesda being one of the worst gaming developers out there...
  19. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

    Oct 28, 2014
    Meh, I'd consider THPS5 to be a lazier cash grab, not that it changes F4's problems though.
  20. Throatpunch

    Throatpunch Banned

    Apr 14, 2016
    TES Online was the laziest cash grab ever.