Fallout 1 mod Fallout Fixt - next release will be some time in Jan 2020

Discussion in 'Fallout General Modding' started by Sduibek, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Uzi was removed on purpose since I realized that restoration was silly and unnecessary. 10mm SMG already exists in V13, restoring Uzi was a bad decision on my part.

    Forgot to remove the code for spawning it and ammo for it in V15 though, whoops. Thanks guys.

    It is planned to allow player to trade between knockback and no-knockback versions of sledgehammers via in-game customizing, I just haven't added it quite yet

    Personally I hate knockback, I think it's a stupid annoying mechanic that ruins HtH gameplay.

    Can you clarify about the items not stacking ?
     
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  2. gustarballs1983

    gustarballs1983 Vault Senior Citizen
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    Oct 28, 2009
    There's another annoying bug that is introduced in test release the Holodisk from dying mutant during far-go traders quest after killing the deathclaw and talking to the mutant the holodisk get's instantly discarded. no way to acces inventory to read it or to give it to far-go traders. the quest is basically screwed by this. I'm holding off further gameplay untill this is fixed.
     
  3. Hubal

    Hubal Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 11, 2014
    First Aid Kit you can get from Overseer does not stack with others First Aid Kits. Excuse me, english is not my first language.
    I hate knockback on melee weapons as well. I think all shotguns should have knockback perk and some melee weapons should have Penetrate perk to compensate their lacking power.
     
  4. gustarballs1983

    gustarballs1983 Vault Senior Citizen
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    Oct 28, 2009
    which melee weapons exactly? I mean You don't expect to deal any kind of damage with let's say spiked knuckles to guy in power armor do You?
    In theory T51b should withstand 2500 Joules. That is a shitload of energy which I think frankly can't be generated by human muscles. Hence only Power Fist and Ripper should have this perk because they're powered by small energy cells.

    Besides, wasn't the melee character sepose to be a joke/mock of a traditional RPGs where melee weapons are used. I don't think it should be possible to finish any Fallout this way. Just another wrong build trap. Anyway Who brings guns to a knife fight? (Sly answers: The winner).
    Although I agree that knockback on melee weapons is a dumb idea for close range combat.

    And as for shotguns instead of knockback they should have Gauge-12 Slug ammo Like in EcCo for Fo2 with high negative number to DR% or high DT when using YAAM. Base Shotgun ammo should have damage modifier increased because shotguns tend to do shitload of damage to unarmored targets.

    EDIT:

    forget what i said earlier it appears that top Boxers can achive 5000 pounds hits and MMA kicks can achive 9000 pounds. Since 1 pound force is an aproximatly 1.3 Joule my earlier statements of melee guy only tickling guy in PA is not true.
     
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  5. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Thanks guys, I'll look into these.

    I do have sad news about knockback - I was able to easily remove the added knockback weapon perk on sledgehammers, but the engine itself adds a 1-hex or 2-hex knockback to all melee attacks if you do enough damage. As far as I can tell this can't be removed in Fallout1 engine. Bummer
     
  6. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    @gustarballs1983 @Hubal
    Finding unexpected items in Vault 15 should now be fixed, as should losing the holodisk right away after getting it from the super mutant during caravans quest. Also includes various small fixes for Vault 15.

    http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/fallout-fixt-0-81alpha-july-5th-2015.194562/page-188#post-4307860


    If anyone feels like playing through Vault 15 several times to check for crashes, that would be appreciated. I got a crash once but wasn't able to make it happen again.
     
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  7. Muttie

    Muttie Still Mildly Glowing

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    Oct 9, 2017
    I liked the UZI.

    It gave 9mm a reason to exist.

    And I thought the UZI is balanced by the limited access to 9mm ammo (I mean there is only X amount of it, no respawn, right?). So it's just a short time (limited ammo), high damage weapon (had penetrate, I believe) for those who manage to find it (like the Alien Blaster).

    I thought that was very neat design.
     
  8. Muttie

    Muttie Still Mildly Glowing

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    Oct 9, 2017
    - Talius and Harold are not ghouls, but unique beings (especially Harold\Bob). There was an issue between Cain and Taylor about if you could become ghoul with Fev or not. It was settled by Avellone in the Fallout Bibles.
    This is not really “settling it”. Besides the argument was only if it requires FEV. The other question if a dipped person can turn into a “mutant” like Harold or Talius is not an argument, but a fact. The only discrepancy in that regard is that Chris Taylor called it “into a ghoul” while “into a mutant like Harold” may have been more accurate.
    Again this argument is about the Vault 12 ghouls. Dipping a human into the vats can result in a mutant like Talius. And according to Chris Taylor, the level of radiation decides this.
    It just needs to be noted that he probably means “a mutant that looks like a ghoul” when saying “ghoul”. However, I'm not sure how much difference there actually is, as mutants (like Harold) have almost all characteristics of ghouls: immune to radiation and a long life-expectancy.
    The problem is actually that Tim Cain said
    and Zax said
    Both say that exposing an irradiated human being to FEV results in death. While in-game, the master believes that exposing an irradiated human being to FEV results in stupidity. And of course, Chris Taylor said it results into a ghoul. And this contradiction has not been clarified. However, the most logical thing would be to go with Chris Taylor.
    This is the only explanation that answers all questions (the importance of pure-strain, Talius/Harold and the variance in intelligence). That means the effect of FEV on intelligence is random. And being exposed to FEV while irradiated results into a Harold/Talius mutant. So the master was correct in regard to radiation, but not in regard to its effect on intelligence. This is the one explanation that addresses all cases. Otherwise the fact that super-mutants are dumb (radiated) but not dead, wouldn't add up. Chris Taylor's approach is the one that explains it all. Without it especially Talius/Harold would be an unexplained oddity.

    - Nightkin was a term I misused for lack of a better word for “improved super-mutant”. However, I didn't research it, as I probably should have. It was a dumb choice of word. Or it needs to be adjusted to: If the player lucks out and becomes a “smart super-mutant” he'll gain the rank of nightkin.

    - The key to be dipped and remain smart is the level of radiation. The less exposed you are, the more likely you are to not become dumb. The vault dweller is assured to not become a dumb dumb (unless he already is dumb in the first place). Also, it becomes a major plot point in the end of the first game, as both Lou and Grey want the location of your vault, so they could gather pure subjects.
    The radiation explanation is a theory of the Master. But there are alternatives, like the dipping process or Chris Taylor's take (randomness). It is also interesting that the bible never says it clearly (i.e. they never say: no radiation means you'll be fine, but only that radiation causes complications and/or death). Instead the Fallout bible repeatedly states that the process will cause damage (from memory loss to decreased intelligence). This may be as they never considered the case of FEV on pure-strain, or because the designers' intention was that FEV will always be a flawed process.
    It shouldn't overlook that the bible says “reason unknown”, it does not say “radiation” as it easily could have if that was the intention. So there is room for interpretation. Contamination (like radiation) will cause complications, but oversimplifying that radiation angle presented by the master's diary isn't accurate.

    - Marcus and Lou both consider themselves smarter after they became super-mutants. Same for the first pure human that the master converted (who might be or might not be Lou)
    I think this (memory loss) shows that statements by in-game characters may be in-character and confused or delusional. Even the Master may have been wrong, after all he never opened a vault and tested FEV on a pure-strain human. And Lou is contradicting the master with his wild FEV theory, which means we have two in-game explanations of which one must be wrong. Or both. Or neither. Anyway, not everything said in-game can be taken as an absolute truth.

    Regarding the player: after wandering around outside for several hundred days and visiting the Glow (see Talius, who had something going wrong during his dip, according to himself (may be mistaken, though)), I'm not sure the dweller will necessarily make the dip unscathed. Talius is the only known example of a dipped vault-dweller, and he became a mutant.
    But especially Talius is weird. As he's not dumb (suggests that he's not radiated), but neither a success (suggests that he is radiated, or at the very least that there is another factor than just level of radiation). Harold is similar (smart, but not a super-mutant).
    I'm not sure what to take away from this, but that the player may end up like Talius.

    Here is another quote which puts it very well:
    I only would add that Zax claims that FEV can not be transmitted via air and is immune to radiation (i.e. it won't mutate). Which means the Lieutenant may have been mistaken. Then again this effect of “wild-FEV” was a concept of the designers, especially Chris Taylor, as mentioned in the bible, to explain why creatures survived massive radiation damage (i.e. why the Vault 12 inhabitants didn't die in the fallout). However, this is what Avellone cleared up in the bible by saying it just happened (i.e. FEV is not required to become a ghoul, but it's the miracle of radiation that explains everything (as it did in the 50s), except when it doesn't, e.g. when the player visits the Glow he'll die of radiation poisoning rather than becoming a ghoul).
    Last, as pointed out above, it really is unknown and nothing proven (i.e. there is no record of FEV mass-producing IN 10 super soldiers). The only possible case of super-beings are the master and his psykers. However, both suffer horrible side-effects from disfigurement to insanity, which again suggests the unstable nature of FEV (which “could” be understood as the designers intent at this point), and there always may be side-effects, with the “memory-loss” just being the beginning. The only exception to this appears to be animals, who never showed any side-effects and always had improved intelligence.
    P.S. I did found a note (FEV Reserach Disk & Maxson's Log) saying the military experimented on human beings at Mariposa (for about 9 months), but nothing more. However, it would be interesting if there is any documentation (Anderson file), as it would be the only tests on pure-strain human-beings. But I don't think there is anything to find.


    All that said I believe the truth is in what Chris Taylor said:
    Perhaps that's how FEV is supposed to work on a human-being (no matter the level of contamination). As the same quote adds that radiation decides if the outcome is a ghoul or super-mutant (explaining Harold & Talius). And the assumption that radiation influences the in- or decrease of intelligence may have been a false conclusion by the master, who failed to consider randomness as a factor. Which may be understandable as, apparently, there is none when he tested FEV on animals.


    If interested this is a folder with all the sources I've used (includes the Fallout Bible.pdf, several screenshots and a word document with Wikipedia articles, size 24.7 MB, 12.5 MB zipped): http://www.filedropper.com/fo1fevradiation
     
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  9. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    True, I appreciate the feedback I think you have valid points . :)

    But the problem is the graphics file for 10mm SMG is literally "uzi.frm" - at some point in the game's development uzi became 10mm SMG.

    I was honestly just trying too hard to find stuff to restore. Lol
     
  10. Oregano

    Oregano First time out of the vault

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    Jan 22, 2018
    I did two Fallout Fixt0.81alpha playthroughs and both times I came across two very annoying bugs in The Glow: one is that after you download the Delta experiment disk to your Pip-Boy you only get 15 pages of error messages when you try to read it, the other bug is that the Ancient Brotherhood disk doesn't have a entry in the content-list, just a blank space (unlike the Delta disk you can still read the Brotherhood disk by clicking on the blank space, but it's still incorrect). I read your changelog and I noticed you didn't cover these bugs so I hope you can fix then before the full release.

    You might also want to take a look on this page, there are many other bugs listed here, some are from past Fixt versions but there are many about 0.81alpha: https://falloutmods.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_Fixt_bug_reports. Thanks for continue supporting this mod tho!
     
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  11. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    I'm working on fixing the ones from that page :) Currently the holodisk bugs you mentioned are fixed in the testing files http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/fallout-fixt-0-81alpha-july-5th-2015.194562/page-188#post-4307860

     
  12. gustarballs1983

    gustarballs1983 Vault Senior Citizen
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    Oct 28, 2009
    Hey I got to lvl 99 level by level but this time not the legit way exp. pts. shortcut (Vad's) only to find out what extreme title One's character gets while reaching this height...

    You decided to call People who grind their way to 99

    "the Supreme Jerk".

    That's not funny at all
     
  13. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    Lol it's a wasteland reference. Have you not played wasteland ?? If you haven't played it you really should, it's a great classic game and the reason Fallout even exists at all. (They wanted to make Wasteland 2 but didn't have the rights so they made Fallout instead)

    http://wasteland.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Promotions

    I just thought it would be a fun reference for folks familiar with Fallout's roots; if you can think of something else good for lvl 99 i'd be happy to use that instead :)
     
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  14. Hubal

    Hubal Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 11, 2014
    Are you serious? It's a Wasteland reference. Even Wasteland 2 has "Supreme Jerk" difficulty.
     
  15. gustarballs1983

    gustarballs1983 Vault Senior Citizen
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    Oct 28, 2009

    Although I Have all Wasteland Wasteland 2 and Wasteland 2 Director's Cut From a collector's editoin (Shop gave it to me with joy since nobody elese in the area wanted to buy this game, so they had copies of it stockpiled).

    I only played Wasteland 2 and a bit of Director's cut which seemes to be a bit enhaced x64 bit version of the game. It seemed too much of a homebrewed crap of a game to me. Maybe I'm wrong and original wasteland 1 is better than wl2, but still I'd prefer Level 99 to have a diffeent title, because seeing something of the line: "GusTarballs, the Supreme Jerk" is rather insultive than overpowered, as it should be.

    I think Level 99's title could be that meme from 4chan's "over 9000"

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-over-9000
     
  16. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    I wouldn't say that present day WL1 is better than present day WL2.
    Most of WL1 charm comes from the improvements it brought at the time and the fact it influenced later stuff (and keeps influencing some stuff). (plus a couple of other things)

    On of the biggest improvement is the persistent world. If you killed Joe the bartender and pissed off Max the waiter, they will remain that way next time you visit town. Don't expect it to go deeper than that.
     
  17. Hubal

    Hubal Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 11, 2014
    Well that's where I disagree, If you hit 99 legally it would take bajilion hours. " GusTarballs the Supreme Jerk" fits perfectly, thats what you get for molesting the game. I find it funny.
     
  18. Sduibek

    Sduibek Creator of Fallout Fixt Moderator Modder

    Oct 27, 2010
    I think Wasteland holds up pretty well actually. The over the top combat text, interesting locations, plot twists, open game world, animated monster pictures, intriguing enemies / NPCs / dialog, dark twisted humor, fake storyline in the paragraph book. It's great. I could go on and on - it's a classic for good reason .
     
  19. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    I meant as deep gameplay. It was revolutionnary at the time, but i wouldn't say that WL2 plays bad in comparison. On the other hand, WL2 doesn't raise much the standard comparing with games preceding it. (but had a crucial role in bringing recognition to the indie new wave.)

    That being said, WL1 remain a game that must be played at least once. And it would like to see a couple of its mechanics in newer games.
     
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  20. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
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    Jun 14, 2014
    It is because you cheated :lmao:.
     
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