GTA IV will have DRM

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by rcorporon, Dec 2, 2008.

  1. Skynet 2.0

    Skynet 2.0 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Sep 10, 2008
    I liked GTA san Andreas, and have been looking forward to the release of GTA4 on the PC. However, considering all the issues with mandatory Rockstar Social Club/Live, the graphical problems, and the system requirements, I don't think I'll buy it for the PC, unless the upcoming patch can somehow magically fix all the problems :P.
  2. KQX

    KQX Vault Senior Citizen

    May 3, 2003
    This GTA has definitely been my favorite in terms of atmosphere, humor (radio/tv), story and just general fun during gameplay. I finished it on the XBOX but I completely disagree with the above quote. I really couldn't wait to play this on the PC precisely because I feel a lot more comfortable maneuvering and especially driving and shooting with mouse/keyboard. To anyone considering the game I'd definitely recommend it, if you have the machine to run it (or Xbox if you want an easier setup).
  3. Roflcore

    Roflcore Mildly Dipped

    Nov 2, 2008
    Since a diceroll is needed in order to make it run smooth I'd say wait at least 3-5 patches. Currently some high-end machines have performance problems while medium machines can work it..the game is just buggy as hell, buying it now might ruining whatever fun their is
  4. Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude

    Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jul 9, 2004
  5. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
    Heh. They really are acting like a bunch of entitled, unapologetic assholes, aren't they?

    I can't believe anyone would even imply this is a high-end PC game. It runs on the fucking Xbox 360, a 3-year old console, no way you can excuse it needing the hardware power of a Crysis - a game that could never conceivably run on any current-gen console.
  6. Alphadrop

    Alphadrop A right proper chap.

    Aug 21, 2008
    Well that's a great way to shoot your reputation as a decent company in the foot.
    Patronising and stupid at the same time, thought only EA could manage that. :P
  7. Multidirectional

    Multidirectional Mildly Dipped

    Sep 12, 2008
    Actually, Crysis on Very High settings runs better on my machine than GTA 4 on little above medium settings. Looking at it's visuals I really cannot find anything that would justify such requirements.

    Although I'm lucky enough to not encounter any more problems besides those related to performance and I'm currently enjoying this game very much.
  8. beverageleverage

    beverageleverage It Wandered In From the Wastes

    May 28, 2008
    "We saw that problem two or three months ago and it was addressed by a beta driver that we received from them. Everybody was hoping that it would be out for our release but it seems we've just missed it."

    Rockstar must have blamed their problems on drivers in some form at least a dozen times in that interview. This really doesn't make any sense to me. They need to make games that work on older drivers (within reason, say drivers released in the last couple of months) rather than new drivers having to be conjured into existence just so X game will run correctly. Am I just wrong about how this works? Is un-optimization in games the only reason new drivers get released?

    "So the higher the resolution you set the game, the higher your shadow, mirrors, water, reflection, everything automatically scales. We had all those options available and we found that people were confused by so many options so we wound up merging them into the video mode."

    Holy shit is that a bad idea. Being able to turn shadows down independently of other settings is a necessary option for any demanding game.
  9. Multidirectional

    Multidirectional Mildly Dipped

    Sep 12, 2008
    What is interesting to me then, is why this game runs pretty much the same on my rig on both 1024x768 and 1600x1200 resolutions. The only option that seems to make any real difference is view distance setting.
    What a lame excuse for lazy porting - "people were too confused by so many settings". Anyone who isn't even able to adjust graphics settings should stick with consoles anyway.
  10. Pope Viper

    Pope Viper This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 9, 2003
    GTA IV runs great on this box, according to a forum post.

  11. Dove

    Dove Half-way Through My Half-life

    Dec 2, 2003
    Funny. I had Crysis running on highest on that rig for a while. It's pretty sweet.
  12. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Heh so much simpler days.
  13. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    Well, I bought GTA4 with all of the crippled DRM and such and almost immediately regretted it.

    It wasn't the copy protection that got to me, that was already a slap in the face, it was the horrendous bugs that plagued the game and made gameplay almost impossible.

    Now, I'm on a pretty high-end system, played Crysis through and through on 1680x1050 on HIGH @ 30 FPS avg. The interesting thing, this game ran exactly the same on exactly the same settings, yet looks like Hitman: Blood Money (a game which ran brilliantly on my system three years ago, I might say).

    Beyond performance, onto the bugs. The terrible, terrible bugs.

    Imagine you are driving in a car. Ok, now every single model and texture except for your car is gone. You're driving in a blank state of nothing. Some horrific memory leak somewhere in the programming is sucking up all of your RAM, all your GPU's RAM, and on top of that, is also writing to your page file.

    In order to get this game to actually work, I had to spend at least three hours of frustration, but eventually - I got it to work at least halfway decently, and with an Xbox 360 controller. I could have done the exact same fuckin' thing on a console without the hassle.

    The end result?

    A poor performing, terrible console port with horrible game-stopping bugs and annoyances.

    Am I still going to play it? Maybe. A very tenous maybe.

    The only reason for that, is by what I've seen so far, the game is like Grand Theft Auto 3, but way more polished. That, and Brighton Beach. Oh, and that CCCP hat I bought, gives Nico +300 awesome points.

    Anyway, if anyone ever wants to attempt playing this, use this string for the shortcut for LaunchGTAIV.exe:

    "-norestrictions -nomemrestrict -novblank –availablevidmem 512 -percentvidmem 100"
  14. Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude

    Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jul 9, 2004
    -availablevidmem is a percentage. You don't want to set it to 512.

    Setting it to 1.0 will let GTA4 see all of your vram, 0.90 would be 90% and so on. You can even set it above 1.0.

    -percentvidmem is how much of that memory GTA actually uses (doesn't seem to matter until the memory leak is fixed).
  15. Von Drunky

    Von Drunky Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Mar 10, 2007
    Are you from the area?

    Also, has GTA IV at 30% at $34.90 I am so tempted to buy it, but reading this thread makes me want to wait for a patch. Is ti really that bad, or just blown out of proportion like that silly F03 bugs.
  16. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    Bumpity bump.

    I have to say, for all the whining I am reading everywhere about this game, I haven't encountered many problems.

    Bought it through Steam, waited for the 16GB (ehm, wtf?) download to complete. Game asks me to register a Rockstar Social Club and a Games For Windows account. Took me about 2 minutes. Didn't need to actually install Games For Windows, although I suspect Steam did that for me. Now I get to have cool achievements like X-box gamers, though. Hurray.

    Did that, played the game at the highest settings (I have a very high-end rig, though), everything ran smooth.
    The only problem I encountered was that after some 4 hours of consecutive play, the game shows some graphical glitches (eg not showing some textures, weird huge shadows blocking my visual path). These problems disappear after a quick restart of the game.

    That said, this is basically the third best GTA game I've played. Only GTA and Vice City were better, and Vice City was only better because I didn't have some stupid in-game 'friends' calling me every five minutes to go bowling, and because the '80s vibe was slightly cooler than the current vibe.
    Everything else about this game is top-notch.
  17. Serge 13

    Serge 13 Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Jul 20, 2006
    I was wondering if i should buy this game or not.

    my rig :
    Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
    2 GB RAM
    nVidia 8800 ultra 768 mb
  18. Multidirectional

    Multidirectional Mildly Dipped

    Sep 12, 2008
    It should run ok with medium settings. (My prediction : Medium textures, Renderer - High, View Distance - 22, Detail distance - 30, Vehicle density - 20, Shadow density - 0). It looks just fine like that, much better than on consoles.

    Finished this game few days ago.. I gotta say, with all it's technical problems and annoying "in game friends" feature it is still probably one of best releases this year. I just wish story was less clumsy on certain occasions.. Like more than one time I was forced to watch main character do something I didn't want him to do. I didn't get this feeling with other GTA games. Maybe it's because of the game taking itself a bit too seriously sometimes.
  19. PlanHex

    PlanHex Useless layabout oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
    I think you can set your phone to 'silent mode' or something so your friends won't call you up and ask you to go do shit. Just so you know.