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Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Brother None, Jul 26, 2008.

  1. Jabu

    Jabu It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Mar 5, 2008
    What he means by a texture pack is that the textures are all changed from Oblivion, but that little else is.
  2. Neverwinter27

    Neverwinter27 First time out of the vault

    Jul 12, 2008
    I didn't see guns in Oblivion, nor cars ,refrigerators, computers.Or a Helicopter vehicle. Jabu, can you pull up some screenshot comparisons side by side of the two games, maybe im not seeing something here.
  3. Jabu

    Jabu It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Mar 5, 2008
    I'm not defending him, I was just pointing out your misunderstanding of his words (i.e. you said "the textures are copy and pasted", whilst that's absolutely not what he meant).

    Also: Are you fucking serious? What the hell do you think he meant? Ever heard of 'slight exageration'?
    If I really have to spell it out for you, here goes: (I believe) He was referring to the fact that from a technological standpoint, overall the game looked very much like Oblivion, sans the obvious changes in style, atmosphere, new objects et cetera. You know there was no pip-boy in Oblivion either. Comprende?

    Either way, I wasn't supporting his claims, I was just translating them for you.
  4. Neverwinter27

    Neverwinter27 First time out of the vault

    Jul 12, 2008
    He can reply back himself don't worry about it. I didn't even start the argument as well.

    As for technological standpoint, it would make sense since different companies have their own sets of resources and tools at their disposal. But if they just re use the old fallout engine, with the same graphics, just stuff moved around, it wouldn't satisfy them either. Or would it? They would save even more time, and money by going this route actually.
  5. Scare

    Scare It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jul 25, 2008
    I liked the no neck look of FO2's enclave PA rather than this new tactics shoulder pad style. To bad.
  6. Noneoftheabove

    Noneoftheabove First time out of the vault

    May 2, 2007
    The vid previews are always great, but I would appreciate a little more attention on the role playing aspect! Unless the whole game is as presented and you're just going around whacking things for no good reason.
  7. Jabu

    Jabu It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Mar 5, 2008
    I have no idea what you're on about.
  8. Boosta

    Boosta First time out of the vault

    Jan 5, 2008
    Of course there is a reason for you stilting around the wastelands of DC blasting everything in sight.
    Don't you see it ?

    It's not easy being a miniature space hamster clone gone bad.
    Especially not when your developer, I mean father goes away on a fishing trip and the rest of the Vault decides they don't like the smell of your fur.
    Since your Intelligence is that of an illtempered rodent you want to bite everything to see if it tastes well...

    Or maybe I just want a more nutty story. :wink:
  9. God is Dog backwards

    God is Dog backwards Mildly Dipped

    Jul 25, 2003
    The popups bug me - 'you have discovered XXXXX town!'. I wish we could turn those things off.
  10. 13pm

    13pm Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Apr 10, 2007
    Can anyone explain me what's hanging out the vault boy's mouth on the health stats picture?

    And Bos - Knights of this era... sigh...
  11. TTTimo

    TTTimo It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Apr 26, 2008
    I have been working on modeling the F2 APA, and did a number of studies from the limited amount of images available of the Enclave armour. Most of what we can see in detail is only the area above the shoulders.

    Forehead: F2 APA helmet forehead is quite recessed. However, the shallowness of the area above the eyes makes it seem unrealistic to fit a head in such little space . New Enclave forehead is smooth and dome-like, and has more space to fit a proper human head. The protruding tubes behind the head are obviously different.
    Face: F2 APA looks more skull-like, and has got tubes also coming out from both sides of the cheek. New armor has none (visible). F2 APA also has some coiled wire widget for left ear piece. The face of F2 APA looks more like some jet engine intake, new one looks more protruded: like a snout.
    Shoulder: From what I can tell, the close up rendered armour and the in-game version are different. In the close up, shoulder piece and collar/back are separate. The collar/back piece seems to be the prominent piece, and shoulders are smaller, hidden beneath it. The in-game version shows the shoulders to be one single piece combined with the collar/back, like one flexible mass. Which version is correct, hard to tell; but the main thing is that the iconic APA look comes from the neck-less imposing collar. The new Enclave shoulders are more like separate pieces, a bit like FOT armour.
    Exposed joints: F2 APA has got exposed bits in the elbows, knees and waist that look like beige/brown coloured padded material. New Enclave armour only has exposed joints in the elbows and groin area, plus a belt around the armour-plated waist.

    You can say the new Enclave armour borrows elements from both FOT and F2 armours, but the end result looks nothing like the iconic classic. The classic look of the F2 APA is hunched shoulders, and bug-like eyes (kind of like an armoured beetle). It also looks a bit like the coats worn by nazi troopers, with high collar and what-not. If you remove the helmets, both BOS and Enclave armour in F3 look very similar.

    Edit: Fallout 3 Enclave Armor pictures from Anani Masu. Fallout 2 Advanced Power Armor pictures from The Vault, contributed by Ausir.
  12. Stiched

    Stiched It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jun 7, 2008
    You're talking about the little thing in the corner right?
    At least it's out of the way, you don't even have to pay attention to it if you don't want to.
  13. radnan

    radnan A Smooth-Skin

    Dec 1, 2006
    probably a small thing but i get more and more annoyed by the Vault Boy Face popping up in the top left - like when it says Raider has Head Crippled geez.

    Other than that nothing new - a bit overkill with the vault boys - there's one for each weapon apparently
  14. God is Dog backwards

    God is Dog backwards Mildly Dipped

    Jul 25, 2003
    Was gonna complain about the crippled head thing (beyond the fact that it's... a crippled head), but that appeared in the originals too, in the text box.
  15. Ausir

    Ausir Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Apr 20, 2003
    Can I quote your comparisons of this PA with FOT PA and FO2 APA in The Vault?

    One more thing - maybe, since in FO2 the APA and APA Mk2 are identical, Bethesda assumed that it was just an in-game simplification and decided to make the Mk2 it different from the basic APA, thus creating this design?

    After all, APA was "composed of lightweight metal alloys, reinforced with ceramic castings at key points", while Mk2 is "composed of entirely of lightweight ceramic composites rather than the usual combination of metal and ceramic plates". Does it make much sense of them to look the same?
  16. TTTimo

    TTTimo It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Apr 26, 2008
    Are you talking about my post? Sure, go ahead. I got most of the pictures from The Vault, will adjust that in edit.

    Hopefully that is the case. Would really like to see the Enclave APA we all know and love in the game.
  17. Anani Masu

    Anani Masu Still Mildly Glowing

    May 16, 2008
    And if you are talking about my post you can use it if you wish. I just wish we had better shots of the helmet where the lower jaw area is obscured by his hand and a good side view.
  18. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003

    Good work man, very interesting
  19. AssassinEdge187

    AssassinEdge187 First time out of the vault

    Dec 10, 2003
    I agree with you. The more I know, the less I feel like playing it.

    Did any one else find it hilarious that you can cure your crippled arm with a stimpack?
  20. Bofast

    Bofast Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Jan 26, 2006
    Yeah, in a rather depressing way...