Is there an argument to be made that Fallout 3 took a lot of inspiration from Modern Warfare?

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Nah, I think you're reading into this too much but an interesting perspective.

Hell, I don't think Fallout 4 really even got a majority of its settlement building inspiration from Minecraft. More likely games like Rust, 7 Days to Die, and whatnot. Sure, they fill that Minecraft-esque category but they are a bit different at the same time. Minecraft is like Legos and Rust & Co. is like What If Minecraft Wasn't Legos. Pretty much a more sophisticated version of a simple title with some other tones and graphic fidelity and Fallout 4 was like, "Heh that could work in the post-apocalyptic world don'tcha think?"

I also think 76 was more inspired by the looter shooter live services + Rust and friends rather than Fortnite. So imagine Rust meets Destiny or 7 Days to Die meets Borderlands.
You have survival mechanics and building and then you have the grind for end game loot.

 

don't you think that's a stretch? building and crafting in fallout 4 don't really resemble minecraft, there just was a crafting trend in the video game industry a that time

 

Todd Howard did say what type of inspiration they took from Minecraft:

Basically, they wanted crafting in Fallout 4, and looked at what stuff people could make in Minecraft and tried to make something similar, but using a much more simple system (and failed miserably).

Todd said that Fallout 4 took inspiration from GTA V, DOOM and Minecraft. Those are the three games I remember him mentioning in interviews.
Now that I think about it, he never mentioned Rust, 7 Days to Live, etc.

 

GTA V? Wat. But alright, weird enough. It's more reminiscent of those games than Minecraft if you ask me though.

 

Bethesda inspirations are always very weird. They want to copy stuff from other games and then they just make a monster that has nothing in common with those "inspirations".

But not only was GTA V an inspiration for Fallout 4, it apparently was the biggest inspiration:

Oh, I forgot to mention that Destiny was also an inspiration:

Just look at the inspirations for Fallout Shelter:

It has nothing to do with Sim City, XCOM, FTL or Progress Quest.
Not even a drunk, high (or both) and hallucinating developer would look at Fallout Shelter and see any inspiration from those games...

 

It was already strange and you showed that it was even stranger

Destiny? 76 seems more like Destiny than 4...

 

I'm so confused. They want as many knobs as possible, but also always try to streamline things more than before...holy shit, that actually explains a lot. No wonder they make such an unholy mess of everything.

 

What do fortnite and fallout 76 have in common? The closest games to 76 is probably rust and dayz.

 

I don’t actually think Modern warfare and fallout 3 have much in common. COD is a game that’s centered entirely around being well put together and having mechanically tight (albeit basic) mechanics. Not innovative for sure but a lot of care and attention to detail in order to make every map fun to play and every gun fun to shoot.

Fallout 3 is more about breath than refinement. Large open world, lots of stuff to explore. Shooting is pretty shitty.

 

It sure as fuck explains their design mentality since Oblivion. A world saying no to the player is a good thing, at least when the context makes sense. The Bethesda games since Oblivion hardly ever say no the player and that's an huge problem.

I know he said "a lot" to imply that their games do say no, but it sure as hell ain't that way since Oblivion.

 

To be honest Bethesda games do say no to the player’s choices a lot. Fallout 4 forced the player to accept a lot of quests they didnt care for regardless of how they reacted in dialogue for example. Also the decision of the player to kill certain npcs was often rejected because of them being immortal.

Honestly it’s at a point where Bethesda are so incompetent they can’t even ape the design philosophy of popular shit properly (see fallout 76).

 

None of that is saying no to the player. Saying no to the player is not being able to do quests based on consequences, which hardly happens in Bethesda games. Not being able to say no to a quest that really has no branching paths or has any consequences is not saying no to the player. Not to mention you can just ignore the quest and nothing will happen, that is saying yes to the player.

NPCs also being essential is their shit design to shield the players from themselves. It has nothing to do with saying no to the player.

Saying no to the player has to be based on consequences brought upon by the player themselves, as in choice or consequence, or how your character was built. Making NPCs essential and not being able to not accept crappy, meaningless quests is none of that.

 

Yeah, it's still saying yes to the player. They never get the feeling that they could have done something differently. Hell, in Morrowind you couldn't be the leader of multiple guilds and that's a basic "no." They did away with that later on and now guards call you a revered fighter for the fighter's guild, a scary assassin, a thief with enough power to pay them off, a powerful mage, and the local Jarl.

You can be everything you want to be in modern BGS games.There's not a moment where you do something that might please one character or group that also might actually anger another. At most, someone will say, "Well, you're a dick. Anyway, how about this quest?"

Also, skills and perks actually helping you do something is another thing they don't say no to. I played the OP sneaky archer thief/assassin in Skyrim and yet I could enter the College of Winterhold, do all their quests, and become their leader. Why? None of my skills reflected this. That's kinda silly. My build shouldn't have been able to complete the fighter's guild or mage's either. The only ones that even make sense are the Dark Brotherhood and the Thieve's Guild but those conflict in ideology as well.

 

Just put it here, why not. I don't think there's anything wrong about following trends the main issue is that Bethes cannot execute any of the trends properly. New Vegas jumped on the fps bandwagon, even adding aim down sights, and the game was fine.

 

Except for the fact that trendsetting is way better than following trends. I don't care to experience practically the same shit every time I buy a game.

New Vegas added iron sights to an already constructed "FPS bandwagon" that Fallout 3 was on. If anything, it made the shooting not feel awkward. As much as I prefer dice rolls and character skill over my own skill in a RPG, the disconnect by trying to bridge FPS and a RPG feels weird. Most newer gamers find Morrowind to be weird because they expect that when they see their sword hit the enemy, that it will at least do something.

I'm all for that idea but there is an immediate disconnect between the actions on the screen and the outcome. When I play an isometric RPG and my character misses an action, that is visible and apparent. Whereas in games like Fallout 3 and Morrowind you get this weird feeling that you did the right thing but then the game decided to not think so. It mostly just feels awkward as fuck. I did the thing, clearly, why is it not happening? This is a major issue in making first person RPGs in my opinion.

 

It is VERY awkward.

But NV have some things that you can accept. Like a PC with 1 in strength who can not properly handle a AMR.

 

Trendsetting is better than following trends, yes, but games are a product as much as they are an art form. There is tons of value in thinking up something new and revolutionary, but there's also a lot of value in refinement/polish/fine tuning of a preexisting formula. If you look at the most popular games right now you'l see almost all of them are defined more by polish than by actually being groundbreaking.

-Fortnite and Pubg are just competent executions of an arma mod.
-League and Dota are just competent executions of a wc3 mod.
-Overwatch is TF2 with a new coat of paint.
-CoD, Smash, and CS have next to no innovations in their gameplay formula from the first games in their respective series, and are just a new coat of paint slapped on the same shit.

The only game thats popular based on trendsetting right now is minecraft.