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I've read the news about the manual, and I think it doesn't make much sense. And I mean that part where they say "Browning is you best friend" or something like that.
The BoS was created after the war, so there shouldn't be a lot of general weaponry in it. (like, the standard BoS weapon is ........)
After a nuclear holocaust should there be a lot of weapons ? And should there be one small group who has a lot of that ? I think not.
 
There were a couple of bases that had stockpiles of weaponry after the war ...SAD and possibly the Glow. Apparently, the BoS had enough motivation to actually go out and get those weapons instead of sitting on their asses bitching about how they have no weapons. Another guess i have is that the few weapons they did have even before going to any army bases were researched upon.
 
The damage of a nuclear bomb

To remind you, nuclear bombs do not explode and destroy areas in the size of one of U.S states.
The biggest nuke can possible destroy Rhode Island-sized area or a bit more.
Look at Japan, which is relatively small comparing to europe countries or U.S.
TWO nukes were dropped there, and each destroyed about the area of the city on which it was dropped.
So take a calculator, take some minutes, and think how many nukes you need to make the whole U.S an empty desert, with "no weapons, and no groups with alot of weapons" as you describe it.
A nuke mainly KILLS alot, it doesnt DESTROY alot.
Of course in its range it causes utter destruction, and can almost wipe out cities of the map, but the "guys" who were the ones who bombed U.S didn't shoot 51*100 nukes on it.
The "LOGICAL" thing to do is to bomb the MAIN and big cities, or known army bases, because bombing a town in Texas won't do much.
So what "happened" in the Fallout universe is that the big and main parts of United States were NUKED, the rest were oridinarely bombed or attacked.
If your main goal is DEATH, you should take a biological weapon, since it can cause a much bigger scaled death and bio-damage.
If your goal is DESTRUCTION, and you want to make what you said (no weapons, no groups with weapons) true, you should either REALLY make and shoot 51*100 nukes, or you should work on a bigger bomb.
A bomb which creates the nuclear process that occurs inside the SUN - which will be able to BLOW UP the entire earth, or possibly less.
Maybe this is the bomb that was used, but we weren't told.

Since UNITED STATES WASN't complelty destroyed, and many OIL RIGS, SHIPS, CITIES, WEAPONS, PLANTS and humans survived, we can assume that the bombs weren't too big, but weren't too small either.

Anyway.
If a NUCLEAR SHELTER can defend hundreds and thousands and maybe MORE humans, why can't it protect weapons, armors, weapon PLANS and so on...
Remember that if the war was in 2079, and the you see the Fallout universe for the first time in 2141 the way we know it, it is most likely that in those 60 or so years some people managed to collect metal, create a small factory and build more weapons, and use the existing ones as well.
If you wish to play in a game with no weapons, go play MICKEY MOUSE AND THE SECRET TREASURE or some other "relaxed" game.
or play a racing game, or a BOXING game, so you can punch people and not shoot them.
And then maybe we will have BOG (BROTHERHOOD OF GLOVE), which will study the boxing sport, and incourage it, and have PUNCHING troopers which will fight the Enclave, and army of men in VERY THICK shirts, and gloves with glass particles stuck to them.
You know, maybe we should make a game like Fallout, only more "realistic", by your vision, with no armors or weapons, and instead of playing a character to fight mutants, trade, drive, "save the world" and be outcasted from its home, you will play a SURVIVOR - whose goal is to find food and water before it dies, and to meet other people who survived and make a small village with them.
I'm sure this will be an interesting game.
Oh, i can imagine the quests.
*FIND THE BIGGEST RADIOACTIVE APPLE IN THE VILLAGE
*CATCH THE MICE THAT ARE BOTHERING OLD BEN.
*EAT ALOT in less than 3 minutes.
*SURVIVE RADIOACTIVE RAIN for more than 3 minutes.

Klayhamn - ThieFoRent
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jun-06-00 AT 02:49PM (GMT)[p]>To remind you, nuclear bombs do
>not explode and destroy areas
>in the size of one
>of U.S states.
>The biggest nuke can possible destroy
>Rhode Island-sized area or a
>bit more.
>Look at Japan, which is relatively
>small comparing to europe countries
>or U.S.
>TWO nukes were dropped there, and
>each destroyed about the area
>of the city on which
>it was dropped.

A side note on that:

Nukes today are about 100 to 300 times the power of those bombs. Several small to medium-sized and irradiated islands in the south pacific can attest to the fact of nuclear growth until above-ground testing was later controlled by treaties.

(PS: Isn't it time for your medication? I think the men in the funny white suits are looking for you....)
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Jun-14-00 AT 06:10AM (GMT)[p]I think you missed my point a bit.

>So take a calculator, take some
>minutes, and think how many
>nukes you need to make
>the whole U.S an empty
>desert, with "no weapons, and
>no groups with alot of
>weapons" as you describe it.

That's not what I meant, I meant that is isn't that realistic to find weapons all over the place, like in Fallout 2, let alone equip an entire army with the same weapons.


>A nuke mainly KILLS alot, it
>doesnt DESTROY alot.
>Of course in its range it
>causes utter destruction, and can
>almost wipe out cities of
>the map, but the "guys"
>who were the ones who
>bombed U.S didn't shoot 51*100
>nukes on it.
>The "LOGICAL" thing to do is
>to bomb the MAIN and
>big cities, or known army
>bases, because bombing a town
>in Texas won't do much.

Exactly, and where, do you think, are a lot of weapons stored together ? Not in a small town in Texas. All the areas of importance (big cities, major infrastructure, army bases/depots) will be bombed in some way.

>So what "happened" in the Fallout
>universe is that the big
>and main parts of United
>States were NUKED, the rest
>were oridinarely bombed or attacked.

>If your main goal is DEATH,
>you should take a biological
>weapon, since it can cause
>a much bigger scaled death
>and bio-damage.
>If your goal is DESTRUCTION, and
>you want to make what
>you said (no weapons, no
>groups with weapons) true, you
>should either REALLY make and
>shoot 51*100 nukes, or you
>should work on a bigger
>bomb.
True, but the name of the game isn't Fallout:A post biological warefare RPG.

>A bomb which creates the nuclear
>process that occurs inside the
>SUN - which will be
>able to BLOW UP the
>entire earth, or possibly less.
>
>Maybe this is the bomb that
>was used, but we weren't
>told.
They used that bomb, and we were told. What is the process that occurs inside the sun ? The exact same process that occurs inside an exploding fission bomb. Only the sun is a lot bigger that a fission bomb.

>Since UNITED STATES WASN't complelty destroyed,
>and many OIL RIGS, SHIPS,
>CITIES, WEAPONS, PLANTS and humans
>survived, we can assume that
>the bombs weren't too big,
>but weren't too small either.

Right, but, as I said, I find it hard to believe that a big organisation like the BoS has a standard weapon (like a browning).

Anyway.
If a NUCLEAR SHELTER can defend
hundreds and thousands and maybe
>MORE humans, why can't it
>protect weapons, armors, weapon PLANS
>and so on...

True.

>Remember that if the war was
>in 2079, and the you
>see the Fallout universe for
>the first time in 2141
>the way we know it,
>it is most likely that
>in those 60 or so
>years some people managed to
>collect metal, create a small
>factory and build more weapons,
>and use the existing ones
>as well.
Maybe, but remember, most people died in the war, so it isn't likely that there are a lot of people left alive with the ability to create weapons, let alone they made a lot of them. And 60 years is a lot of time for a gun. How many types of guns do you know that are 60 years old ?

If you wish to play in
>a game with no weapons,
>go play MICKEY MOUSE AND
>THE SECRET TREASURE or some
>other "relaxed" game.
>or play a racing game, or
>a BOXING game, so you
>can punch people and not
>shoot them.
>And then maybe we will have
>BOG (BROTHERHOOD OF GLOVE), which
>will study the boxing sport,
>and incourage it, and have
>PUNCHING troopers which will fight
>the Enclave, and army of
>men in VERY THICK shirts,
>and gloves with glass particles
>stuck to them.
>You know, maybe we should make
>a game like Fallout, only
>more "realistic", by your vision,
>with no armors or weapons,
>and instead of playing a
>character to fight mutants, trade,
>drive, "save the world" and
>be outcasted from its home,
>you will play a SURVIVOR
>- whose goal is to
>find food and water before
>it dies, and to meet
>other people who survived and
>make a small village with
>them.
>I'm sure this will be an
>interesting game.
>Oh, i can imagine the quests.
>
>*FIND THE BIGGEST RADIOACTIVE APPLE IN
>THE VILLAGE
>*CATCH THE MICE THAT ARE BOTHERING
>OLD BEN.
>*EAT ALOT in less than 3
>minutes.
>*SURVIVE RADIOACTIVE RAIN for more than
>3 minutes.
>
>Klayhamn - ThieFoRent
That is completely beside the point. I like fallout. If I didn't, why am I discussing it ?


Ceasar
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-30-00 AT 04:58PM (GMT)[p]In fallout one you get to know by general maxon that the scribes copied down old plans and make new ones and that the knight make guns from them.
He also said that most guns came from them.
I think that this means that the broterhood are the producers of most of the weapons in fallout.
I supose that they have a factory in the base someplace.
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

I could be wrong, but I think the Colt .45 has been around for about 60 years. I know they were standard issue sidearms in the Korean Conflict during the '50s.
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

Let me say something in your interesting little discussion here. A nuclear bomb blows up and totally destroys everything in like a 5 mile radius or whater. However, the radiation given off by the bomb can spread for like thousands of miles. So that is why places like Reno were still "ALIVE" and San Francisco was still "ALIVE". I know someone is going to say something like...The Shi's were from a nuclear sub in the ocean, but what I mean is the buildings. The only thing that had my wondering was the SAD and the MB. Why were they left standing? Anyways, talk to you guys later. Oh one more question, what did the Enclave build Navarro out of, did they have a kit "The Official Post Nuclear Bad Military Base Kit" or osmething? Was it just there? Well, see ya peeps.

Landon
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

>Let me say something in your
>interesting little discussion here.
>A nuclear bomb blows up
>and totally destroys everything in
>like a 5 mile radius
>or whater.

Actually only around a 1-mile radius is completely destroyed. Up to 5 miles suffer heavy destruction and the damages lessens from there.

>The only thing
>that had my wondering was
>the SAD and the MB.
> Why were they left
>standing?

The Military Base was originally the Master's vats and only became a military base because the Enclave set up camp there to dig it up.

The SAD was probably a well-hidden underground base that the Chinese didn't think to nuke, or it wasn't worth nuking.

>Anyways, talk to
>you guys later. Oh
>one more question, what did
>the Enclave build Navarro out
>of, did they have a
>kit "The Official Post Nuclear
>Bad Military Base Kit" or
>osmething? Was it just
>there? Well, see ya
>peeps.

Seeing that the Oil Rig was the last resource of Oil in the world, it would have been heavily guarded and amply supplied. Therefore they would have probably had well-enough supplies to build a temporary base for their Vertibirds.

-Xotor-

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RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

They used a GECK a Garden of Eden Creation Kit.
they stole one from vault 13 remeber?
Or they might have one theyr self. The broterhood of steel had two i think.
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

I've always kind of suspected the Enclave had a aircraft carrier for building and storing extra vertibirds. :)
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

>They used a GECK a Garden
>of Eden Creation Kit.
>they stole one from vault 13
>remeber?
>Or they might have one theyr
>self. The broterhood of steel
>had two i think.

The Enclave never actually used the GECK they took from Vault 13. You can pick it up in the trooper quarters at the Oil Rig. I think they just built a new base. There's no need to provide it with all the furnishings of a full Vault Kit, especially since the GECK doesn't come with security systems like gates and cannons.

-Xotor-

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RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

Dear Dork Face,
The process that takes place inside the sun is not fission as you have been stupidly told. The process inside the sun is called fusion, it is when an atom of hydrogen 2 and a atom of hydrogen 3 are forced at such speeds your infant brain cannot understand. When these to atoms impact with eachother they form a atom of helium 4 and 1 neutron is disscharged. So that you dont go crying to your daddy for help on why hydrogen has a 1 on the periodic table and i said 3 and 2. They are isotopes witch means they have aditional neutrons in there neucleus.

13 year old genius
Dooms Shadow
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

The President says that they were basically behind the vaults, and that the vaults were used for social experimentation. If he's not lying, they probably had access to GECKs.
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

>The President says that they were
>basically behind the vaults, and
>that the vaults were used
>for social experimentation. If he's
>not lying, they probably had
>access to GECKs.

Oh they probably use them, or maybe just some of the GECK technology, I was just saying that they didn't use the one from Vault 13.

-Xotor-

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Like I give a shit. And the only infant in here is you (13 year old). Hell, I'm from Holland, my english is not perfect. Forgive me, oh great master...

That wasn't the point at all, too. All I was referring to an old bit of news wich was about the manual of F:BOS.
 
RE: The damage of a nuclear bomb

Actually, I WAS hoping for him to return, and watch how he makes an ass out of himself.
And I don't hold a grudge against him or something, I didn't want to sound like it too. When I read his post, I thought "What the hell is he thinking !?!" for about 5 seconds, and then it couln't bother me anymore, so...
 
RE: The damage of a .45

The colt .45s real name is Colt M1911 is that hint enough for how old it is?
The Mauser is over 100 years
the M14 Rifle is atleast 60 years (u know korea)
the AK47 was made 1947....
the FN FAL is also 60 years....
James Bonds Pistol Walther ppk is atleast 50 years but it is based on the p38 pistol used by the germans in the WW2.........

there are a few weapons that are older than 60 years..... and by the way the "famous" american .45 round is made around 1905 or something.......

Reptile (i am not a gunfreak i just know something about them! and i come from finland not from USA)
 
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