NCR, Enclave, FEV Curling-13 (and mutants)

[Quagmire69]

So where do they stand. In Fallout 2 thier were like the liberal multicural types who tolerated Mutants unlike the Enclave, The Brotherhood, and Vault City. In New Vegas they seem like thier taking up where the Enclave left off, driving mutants in the mountains and even killing thier own soldiers who become guilified.

 

[Surf Solar]

I believe this is due to the fact that some muties went full scale insane thanks to the abuse of stealthboys and attacked everything in side in blind rage. Could atleast be an explanation why most of the people fear the mutants and soldiers shoot them. Marcus explains that ingame AFAIK - thats why the "sane" mutants moved to the rather remote Jacobstown.

 

[LinkPain]

Schizophrenia.
Nightkin and their problem, Marcus is trying to cure them with Doctor Henry. I felt very sad for them in game, talking to Lily was very touching.

Mr.House hates anyone who wouldn't pay on slots or won't gamble and Tandi isn't alive anymore so it's people fear that gets them over time and the fact that crazy Nightkin kill road trippers. NCR in there generally doesn't know, they keep the ghouls because their own troops became like that.
If you add all that it's no wonder they live secluded there, it's not the same part of America anyway. But nobody waged war on them so it's ok, they manage.

 

[Quagmire69]

Its wierd I would have thought that the Legion would be the most antimutant do thier obvious facist references, but the one person in the mojave who supports them in the mojave is a goul.

 

[Quagmire69]

LinkPain, you got it wrong thier kill thier own troops if they become gouls, just play the mission at camp search light where after you tell the seargent about the one non feral goul he'll tell you to "put a rabbid dog out of its misery". By the way if they hate mutants so much then why do they hate the enclave, you think these guys would want to sign up.

 

[Atomkilla]

Those ghouls in Camp Searchlight are an exception, since they received massive amounts of radiation in a short period of time, so NCR feared that they'd go feral (which they did).
NCR generally treats ghouls as equals (which may be a bit overdone). I mean, half of the NCR Ranger vets featured in New Vegas are ghouls.

 

[Quagmire69]

Did you just not read what I just said. You are ordered to kill the Non-Feral ones too. Even weirder is that the mutants of jackobstown hold a grudge against NCR yet don't seam to mind being helped by an enclave scientist, WTF. Its just a badly formulated story if you ask me. And how did that last remnants of the United States Army all end up being a bunch of pussies except for morneno for that matter who care about helping mutants and bums in freeside.

 

[White Knight]

Did you just not read what I just said. You are ordered to kill the Non-Feral ones too. Even weirder is that the mutants of jackobstown hold a grudge against NCR yet don't seam to mind being helped by an enclave scientist, WTF. Its just a badly formulated story if you ask me. And how did that last remnants of the United States Army all end up being a bunch of pussies except for morneno for that matter who care about helping mutants and bums in freeside.

The sergeant only says that because he dosen't want the soldier to turn feral. Sometime during the quest, the Sgt. will suggest that the guy go to Ranger Station Echo, which is mainly ghouls. And Doctor Henry didn't tell the mutants that he was enclave, and even if he did tell them, it dosen't take a genius to see that hes not a genocidal prick. Oh so not being a facist means your a pussy? Of course that makes sense

 

[White Knight]

Did you just not read what I just said. You are ordered to kill the Non-Feral ones too. Even weirder is that the mutants of jackobstown hold a grudge against NCR yet don't seam to mind being helped by an enclave scientist, WTF. Its just a badly formulated story if you ask me. And how did that last remnants of the United States Army all end up being a bunch of pussies except for morneno for that matter who care about helping mutants and bums in freeside.

The sergeant only says that because he dosen't want the soldier to turn feral. Sometime during the quest, the Sgt. will suggest that the guy go to Ranger Station Echo, which is mainly ghouls. And Doctor Henry didn't tell the mutants that he was enclave, and even if he did tell them, it dosen't take a genius to see that hes not a genocidal prick. Oh so not being a facist means your a pussy? Of course that makes sense

 

[White Knight]

Did you just not read what I just said. You are ordered to kill the Non-Feral ones too. Even weirder is that the mutants of jackobstown hold a grudge against NCR yet don't seam to mind being helped by an enclave scientist, WTF. Its just a badly formulated story if you ask me. And how did that last remnants of the United States Army all end up being a bunch of pussies except for morneno for that matter who care about helping mutants and bums in freeside.

The sergeant only says that because he dosen't want the soldier to turn feral. Sometime during the quest, the Sgt. will suggest that the guy go to Ranger Station Echo, which is mainly ghouls. And Doctor Henry didn't tell the mutants that he was enclave, and even if he did tell them, it dosen't take a genius to see that hes not a genocidal prick. Oh so not being a facist means your a pussy? Of course that makes sense

 

[LinkPain]

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/New_California_Republic_Rangers

^Read it.

Next, play Fallout 2. Story is too goddamn long to even mention some of the facts. They're not pussies, they don't have anyone else to turn to and doc was already doing experiments on them before long.

Also:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ranger_Station_Echo

You can finish Searchlight quest by talking to him about going to Ranger Station where most of them are ghouls.

And nothing is poorly formulated in the story, you have to think deeper about it. It's not plain FPS run from point A to B and shoot 'em up.

Hope i helped a bit.

 

[Quagmire69]

Never said that not being a fascist makes you a pussy. The Enclave are not fascist, their the direct decedent of the US gov. Even if you don't like the US gov in real life in or this game only an idiot would seriously call them fascist. The Legion on the other hand are utterly fascist in a way that's more like Italian Fascism than German Nazism with constant references to rebuilding the Roman Empire.

The NCR are really just pretenders of Americanism when in reality their seem to represent the either the Russian or Chinese Red Army more than America. I mean come on, the Bear is their national symbol.

Arcade is a total douche in every way, when you activate Archimedes fucking cries and talks about all the good the energy could do for people, he does actually have a point but hes such baby about it hes actually an inspiration for evil. Craig and Raul were the only companions that seemed to have a pair.

 

[LinkPain]

I think you really nailed the Legion.
Even Caesar looks like Mussolini.

Aw fuck i misread that part about pussies. I thought you were talking about mutants, sorry.

 

[White Knight]

Never said that not being a fascist makes you a pussy. The Enclave are not fascist, their the direct decedent of the US gov. Even if you don't like the US gov in real life in or this game only an idiot would seriously call them fascist. The Legion on the other hand are utterly fascist in a way that's more like Italian Fascism than German Nazism with constant references to rebuilding the Roman Empire.

The NCR are really just pretenders of Americanism when in reality their seem to represent the either the Russian or Chinese Red Army more than America. I mean come on, the Bear is their national symbol.

Arcade is a total douche in every way, when you activate Archimedes fucking cries and talks about all the good the energy could do for people, he does actually have a point but hes such baby about it hes actually an inspiration for evil. Craig and Raul were the only companions that seemed to have a pair.

You've obviously never played Fallout 2. The Enclave are a super facist group that pre-war were a secret splinter group int the US goverment. They want to kill every single person in the wasteland that was exposed to radiation at birth, pretty much everybody who isn't part of either the vaults, BoS or the Enclave. And the NCRs symbol is a bear because Californias symbol today is a bear.

 

[LinkPain]

But i think Enclave resembles US in a way that president is more about killing all than any trooper is. They just follow orders. Or maybe it's because some are more friendly and talkative about the general history in Fallout New Vegas.
It's just my opinion though.

 

[White Knight]

But i think Enclave resembles US in a way that president is more about killing all than any trooper is. They just follow orders. Or maybe it's because some are more friendly and talkative about the general history in Fallout New Vegas.
It's just my opinion though.

I'm just saying the Enclaves Motives as a whole, I agree with you on the individuals following orders.

 

[Quagmire69]

You've obviously never played Fallout 2.

Wrong thier.

The Enclave are a super facist group that pre-war were a secret splinter group int the US goverment. They want to kill every single person in the wasteland that was exposed to radiation at birth, pretty much everybody who isn't part of either the vaults, BoS or the Enclave.

Wanting to murder people does'nt make you a fascist. Fascism is a system of government simalar to feudalism without heriditary right to power. In the enclave thier are elections, and after much debate and voting they've decided that the mutants have to go.

And the NCRs symbol is a bear because Californias symbol today is a bear.

Arent you the one saying that i'm not going deap enogh. Look at the uniforms, they reseble those of the Chinese far more than the US. Look at the fact that they are hunting down all those who belong to the pre-war gov.

nothing is poorly formulated in the story

If it was well formulated thier would be a character most likely a mutant, who would explain to the character that once the NCR and the mutants had been friends.

Read it.

Yea, their the elite, elites are always tough sob's. But lets compare thier elites to other elites, BOS: Palidins, UNITY: Nightkin CEASARS LEGION: Praetorian Guard, ENCLAVE: pretty much everyone. How long do you think they would last one of one with any of these?

By the way, I don't think thier pussies, just undertrianed, poorly equipted, and winning purely with numbers, just like the Chinese. I was originally saying that the Enclave Remnats were pussies save for Moreno, and Arcade is a flatout discrace to warrior his father probably was.

 

[Stanislao Moulinsky]

and after much debate and voting they've decided that the mutants have to go.

Voting? Debate? I don't remember that. Hell, IIRC the president was actually hiding from the commoners that their plan would have actually killed everything and everyone.

Arent you the one saying that i'm not going deap enogh. Look at the uniforms, they reseble those of the Chinese far more than the US.

And?

Look at the fact that they are hunting down all those who belong to the pre-war gov.

You mean the members of the organization that tried to kill all human beings on the planet?

 

[Tremer]

By the way, I don't think thier pussies, just undertrianed, poorly equipted, and winning purely with numbers, just like the Chinese. I was originally saying that the Enclave Remnats were pussies save for Moreno, and Arcade is a flatout discrace to warrior his father probably was.

you are talking about the NCR or about Ceasar´s legion?

Yea, their the elite, elites are always tough sob's. But lets compare thier elites to other elites, BOS: Palidins, UNITY: Nightkin CEASARS LEGION: Praetorian Guard, ENCLAVE: pretty much everyone. How long do you think they would last one of one with any of these?

you think all the people in the enclave were all soldiers?

Wanting to murder people does'nt make you a fascist. Fascism is a system of government simalar to feudalism without heriditary right to power. In the enclave thier are elections, and after much debate and voting they've decided that the mutants have to go.

hitler was elected by the people of germany

 

[brfritos]

...The Legion on the other hand are utterly fascist in a way that's more like Italian Fascism than German Nazism with constant references to rebuilding the Roman Empire...

Well, fascism as a form of govern and ideology borned as we known in Imperial Rome, so nothing more logical than Caesar following this ideals, right?

German Nazi is not a good reference also, because their type of totalitarian regime also included ethnical and race in the mix, it's was a lot different than fascism in Italy and the totalitarian URSS for example.
This is not an excuse, but Mussolini was very against persecuting jews in Italy during the WWII.

Concerning the topic, the mercenary contracted to attack Jacobstown clearly states that some folks and not the entire NCR are after them.
Probably the Brahmin barons.

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