NCR Military training

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Alesia, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. Alesia

    Alesia It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 3, 2013
    I have am idea for a story about a NCR trooper's trek through boot camp but I have some lingering questions about their training protocols.

    Keep in mind this would be around 2270-2271, so the BS with the Legion hasn't started up yet which I assume might alter the speed and tactics at which they train recruits.

    Since the military (and the NCR as a whole) is based on old word ideas, I assume the training program would follow old world standards yes? Like they arrive at a main base from wherever they came from, receive physical and weapon training, then branch out into more job specific training like 1st Recon, Mechanized, etc...

    I'm thinking this process would take 6-8 weeks time like the modern military.

    Also, where would the logical location for a "main" training facility be?
     
  2. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jan 28, 2013
    The legion started in the 2250's as a hidden threat.

    The training would probably be based on old 40's-50's training. But keep in mind, there is a war with the BoS.

    A "main" training base? Got no idea, but IF Navarro WASN'T destroyed, then they would use that. It's already setup.
     
  3. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    You should research 19th century/early 20th century military training methods of the United States. Since the tech level of the NCR is much lower than the United States' in World War II, it makes more sense to focus on manuals and training practices from the turn of the century.

    Plus, you have to take into account the gear they have. The focus would be on mastering the service rifle, since it's their workhorse.

    As for training centres, there likely wouldn't be any centralized location. Soldiers would be recruited, assigned to a frontier base, and then trained there on the spot. Kind of how you see it at Camp Golf.
     
  4. Wumbology

    Wumbology Actually a sentient CRT

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    Mar 5, 2013
    Wait, lower? As in their capacity for industry, or their level of technological prowess?
    Because the NCR has all manner of tech, from stripped down power armor to full-body ranger armor, plus the arsenal of weaponry they have... WW2-era USA didn't have these things.
     
  5. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Oct 25, 2011
    Almost everything is scavenged.
    Full-body ranger armors are from Desert Rangers and some pre-war units, while Power Armors from dead BoS member.

    It's the best example of NCR tech:
    [spoiler:cf0644c60a][/spoiler:cf0644c60a]
    Nothing impressive.
     
  6. Sub-Human

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    May 31, 2011
    Well, the NCR does not have vehicles, as far as I'm aware. Pretty much all combat is done on-foot.
     
  7. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Erm, NCR have vehicles.
    Fallout Bible and Fallout: New Vegas itself confirms it.
     
  8. Sub-Human

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    May 31, 2011
    They are very little in numbers, no?

    I doubt it has the same amount of vehicles that a USA military of the WW2 era did.
     
  9. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
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    Apr 24, 2005
    They have enough to staff at least a whole mechanized battalion, if I remember correct.
     
  10. BigBoss

    BigBoss Your Local Scrub

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    Dec 24, 2012
    Whether their tech is stripped or not, the point is they still have it.

    The NCR is more advanced (way-more) than the US in WWII imo, despite not having tanks and planes (or very-few, and the tanks and helicopters the NCR have no doubt use technology much more advanced than anything in WWII).
     
  11. BonusWaffle

    BonusWaffle Still Mildly Glowing

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    Mar 6, 2013
    The service rifle is pretty much the m16a1 right? Their training would be similar to cold war era troops id bet
     
  12. BonusWaffle

    BonusWaffle Still Mildly Glowing

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    Mar 6, 2013
    The service rifle is pretty much the m16a1 right? Their training would be similar to cold war era troops id bet
     
  13. aenemic

    aenemic Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Jun 4, 2008
    I'd reckon there'd be a lot of training adapted to the wasteland as well, not simply by-the-book military training. Pretty much wilderness survival training, how to skin a gecko and cook its meat, how to deal with radiation and/or mutation and the likes.
     
  14. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    FO2 pretty much contradicts this outright. NCR was CREATING their tech, they weren't scavenging like the outlying communities which they attempted to absorb were still doing. New Reno, prior to joining the NCR, was both scavenging (like the Wrights were attempting with SAD for an undisclosed period of time with multiple conscripts) and making deals (like the Salvatores with the Enclave) and otherwise just outfitting themselves with wasteland purchases, wherever they could be obtained, by simply having the currency to buy anything they want because the casinos drained every visitor dry. How much of their activities changed after being absorbed into the NCR isn't specified, but we can be sure the Salvatores' deal with the Enclave was ended.

    But Shady Sands, the capitol of the NCR, was producing its own tech, with help from the Brotherhood (prior to the BOS's rebellion and the subsequent war between the 2 powers). By the 2240s, Shady Sands a fully armed police force with Guass Rifles, Bozars, some of the best Shotguns that could be found in the game. The NCR Rangers, which began as a liberation movement before becoming indistinguishable from the rest of the NCR's military, were fully outfitted with Combat Armor and heavy weapons. These were more than half a century before the Ranger Unification Treaty, so the Dessert Rangers weren't the source of the NCR's combat armor.

    Like the BOS during FO1, it was implied that these were productions, and the only real scavenging that Shady Sands required was computer parts from Vault 15 to keep their industries going. But the nation, as a whole, was NOT technologically bereft of progress and below what the US had during WW2. Some of their states relied more on scavenging than others, but plenty were able to produce their own wares as a bustling business. The wealth that the country accumulated was put into SOMETHING. NCR was capable of some level of production, though they weren't able to create the highest level of technology, which they scavenged.

    At best, the NCR's level of tech became strained following the insurrection with their former allies in the Brotherhood. But they didn't rely on scavenging, and they had plenty of vehicles. We merely see a much less-outfitted NCR in FONV because the Mojave was frontier country, to them, and because of the politics of the war with the Legion, their outposts weren't being maintained with the full supplies at the nation's disposal. They weren't able to produce any Power Armor of their own, but neither could the Brotherhood, so their Power Armored Troopers were equipped with scavenged and repurposed equipment, but this was not the only method the NCR had to outfit its military.

    The level of equipment and the method for their acquisition in your story would likely depend most on where the training camp is located. If it's near Shady Sands, then it probably gets outfitted with new creations from the capitol. If it's somewhere on the outskirts of the Core Region, then it wouldn't seem unlikely for them to be the results of scavenging trades.
     
  15. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    Thanks for confirming my own words.
    All weapons you mentioned are created pre-war, so basically they're scavenged.
    Also, NCR Rangers from Fallout 2 are using basic combat armors, which are also scavenged. They're not using DESERT combat armors, those cool ones from FNV cover... they got them from Desert Rangers after Unification.
    Learn lore, NCR can only create poor uniforms seen in FNV and those better ones (which I posted in previous post) but not on mass scale.
    As for weapons, EVERYTHING is scavenged or bought from GR. That's why some NCR troopers use varmint rifles or hunting rifles.

    Only Gun Runners are capable of re-creating some weapons, and mass producing ammunition.
     
  16. Mohamed2001

    Mohamed2001 HATE NEWSPAPERS

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    Jan 28, 2013
    He was saying that the BoS helped them CREATE the Gauss Rifles and the Bozar's.
     
  17. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

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    BoS giving military stuff to NCR?
    Cool story bro.
    I doubt SnapSlav wanted to say something like this Mohamed...
    They gave them "some" technology, but it wasn't anything releated to military for obvious reasons.

    And for sure, anyone other than Enclave ever created gauss rifle in post-war conditions.
     
  18. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    Considering you behaved like a total ass in response to my post, and were condescending about it, you have no room to make any claims on my behalf, languorous. Suffice it to say, you're an idiot, and you're misunderstanding what the game presented, parading it around as proof of your claims, then using that to be a total dick. My post speaks for itself, and I have nothing further to add to your "contributions".
     
  19. Alesia

    Alesia It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Mar 3, 2013
    I was kind of thinking that I would put it in Shady Sands, or someplace near it.

    Thank you for that. Those were aspects that completely slipped my mind in the brainstorming phases.

    That's the direction I was using when I came up with the idea.

    The way I see it going down is your basic arrival/introduction, then they are weighed, measured, basic physical by NCR physicians. When they get their clothes it's basically a Merc Grunt outfit, standard issue. Then physical training, weapons training, survival training, and later, as the DI's see their capabilites they go to training for 1st recon, mechanized, or other specialty departments.
     
  20. BigBoss

    BigBoss Your Local Scrub

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    Dec 24, 2012
    How the hell did that confirm your own words? In no way did what SnapSlav say help your argument...

    In Fallout 2 Shady Sands confirmed that they were, MANUFACTURING, not scavenging, but, and I stress this to great lengths, so much that I will put it in bold and underline it for you... MANUFACTURING their own weapons. They were mainly doing this with pre-war weapon blueprints.

    Also, the variant of combat armor used by common NCR rangers are not the First, Second, or Third generations of Combat Armor. First, their is no proof anywhere in the game of them actually being a creation of the US Government or of a US Company, or any company for that matter. Second, the Fallout wiki (Nuka-Pedia) itself says this about the NCR Combat Armor:

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    Each model is made by hand in the NCR and features full body armor, a knife sheath on the left chest plate, a camelback style hydration pouch in the back and the Ranger insignia on both pauldrons.
    Heres the link: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Combat_armor

    The only NCR Ranger armor that was scavenged, was the "legendary" (NCR troops words, not mine) armor.

    So, it appears the NCR CAN create something better than the regular troop armor, by scraps, and mass produce it too.

    And about the weapons, you pretty much screwed up your own argument their. The NCR purchases all of their militaries standard issue equipment from the Gun Runners or other small weapons contract companies within the NCR who make them by hand from scrap.

    Don't claim lore when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.