Pete Hines explains what Bethesda's idea of a RPG is

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Brahmin Noodles, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    "not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls"
     
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  2. DirtyOldShoe

    DirtyOldShoe Some kind of lucky

    Dec 15, 2015
    My signature man, I got you.
     
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  3. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    why would we discuss realism when we can roleplay giving a crap about a plastic baby while we try to sodomize every robot in a 30 mile radius?
     
  4. Ediros

    Ediros Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Feb 4, 2016
    What a sad decade of gaming will it be. With idiots like Hines and Todd leading this trend I am afraid for the future of gaming.

    Rpgs used to be deep, complex with multiple choices games for mature audience. Now though it means do whatever the hell you want and they allow you to.

    This trend will continue for the next couple of years until those idiots finally realize that games like Farcryout 4 are total and utter crap.

    Because to them the graphics and shooting are the most important. My younger brother is a perfect example of this culture. He watches let's plays because he is afraid to lose. His favourite games are saints row 4, battlefront and orcs must die. As long as the game doesn't require almost any thinking or consequences he will play it.

    Basically AAA games are made by idiots for idiots. And It is not going to change anytime soon.
     
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  5. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    In a world where everyone gets trophies just for participating, you can't expect people to deal with losing at a video game.

    Just look at all the steam achievements for games, for doing nothing more than completing the tutorial or doing parts of the main quest that you were railroaded into doing.

    Being good at things is slowly being devalued so all the people who aren't good at things can feel better about themselves.
     
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  6. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    This hits me hard because my older brother won't play New Vegas due to the fact he has to replay the game to get everything. He wants to 100% the game on one playthrough which is sad, because I play games to complete it more than once.
    I just turned round to him and said that it's what people want. People want to play games games again and again to see how their choices affect the main game.
    Now, I don't want to be too harsh on him, he only has so much time to put in and play games and sometimes he wants to relax and put in 4, fair enough.
    But I like to replay games again and again. I feel like there aren't many games out there for me which is bs, there are plenty. Just last week I picked up Pillars of Et... so I look forward to that.
    Hopefully people wake up to it, and I think people are.
    Fallout 4, from what I can gather, is the most "Meh" response to a Bethesda game I've seen.
    Hopefully this will usher in bigger and better games.

    On a side note, can we just appreciate Obsidian and Chris Avellone for making RPGs worth a damn (and in that, throw CDProjekt and Inexille while we're at it).
     
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  7. Big No

    Big No Watch as I open and close this door

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    Oct 28, 2014
    I guess it's just because of that completionist vibe that some people have. They don't want to lose out on anything in a single playthrough which is obviously problematic when they play an RPG. They're fully aware they could start a new game to get the stuff they missed but they don't want to since their "main" save is the one they want the stuff on.
     
  8. AlbertCole

    AlbertCole First time out of the vault

    76
    Mar 27, 2016
    On the other hand there're modern games like the Dark Souls series, that have a huge audience and are advertised and appreciated for being hard. So there's a market for unforgiving games, there're people who want a challenging game experience. So I think, that we shouldn't generalize.
     
  9. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Well it could be worse, Bethesda could pull what the new Hitman is doing and release the game in tiny pieces. Like if they released sections of the map for more money while waiting months at a time to buy another section of the map.
     
  10. Brahmin Noodles

    Brahmin Noodles Still Mildly Glowing

    225
    Mar 26, 2016
    This isn't nearly as bad, but they did cut Combat Zone so they could sell it later in Wasteland Workshop.
     
  11. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    Occasional exceptions to the rule don't disprove the general rule. Even with those few "hard" games you have a good portion of their community trying to make it easier with each installment.

    The market for hard games is nowhere near the size of the market for easy peasy handholding railroady mmo-grindy nonsense, so you can expect that any company that wants to make money and sell record numbers of games is going to target the latter.

    People are definitely out there who want to be challenged by a game, but they are not the target market most of the AAA developers are shooting for.
     
  12. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    I don't know, games are getting better.
    I look at the dark age of 2012-2014 as being over as of 2015, where more interesting games were coming out from the AAA market.
    While it's not an amazingly set of games getting released, we are still getting amazing games. I enjoy a majority of games I'm getting now, last year alone I felt Witcher 3 was pretty decent (I've only put in 6 hours of the game, so forgive me for being a bit short on it), Bloodborne has been pretty enjoyable so far and rewarding when you get passed those challenges, Phantom Pain was an amazing game and I wish we got more in terms of story, at least half my time on Fallout 4 was somewhat enjoyable, Pillars is pretty good so far (even if I have played less than an hour) and Rocket League is one of the best physics based sports games I've played.

    So yeah, I will say there are at least some good games out there, even if it's not a great deal.
    (Just so you are aware, I'm not saying F4 is a good game at all, I think it's shallow shit, I just find some parts enjoyable).
     
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  13. NotAcasul

    NotAcasul meanie

    327
    Mar 17, 2016
    Yeah, Pete Hines doesn't know how to make video games, honestly.

    He just controls whatever Bethesda Game Studios says.
     
  14. Aperture Science XS 2000

    Aperture Science XS 2000 First time out of the vault

    24
    Mar 28, 2016
    This man's a jokes, he don't deserve to talk about any RPG ever, he just don't understand the point. Boring wall of text? Really?
     
  15. AgentBJ09

    AgentBJ09 Vault Dweller

    722
    Jul 9, 2015
    And here's where we come to understand why anyone who says something of this caliber is objectively more ignorant than a gamer who has little interest beyond passing in role-playing games: What he just described is little more than a pair of base actions independent from playing a role. Swinging a sword at inanimate objects as though they were training dummies, and setting up glass bottles on posts to shoot at with your new sniper rifle, are also examples of this.

    Then again, this is the guy who likes to pull the "Argument of Authority" card when he's losing the argument.

    As we've seen, they'll dial back much more than that, and continue to reap praise from a complacent gaming press and fanbase.
     
  16. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Meh, gaming's looking much better than it did eight years ago.

    Yeah the gaming press needs a serious slap in the face, but there's a much better variety of games now than there was, plus, older games are much easier to access thanks to GOG and emulators etc.

    Films, music and literature are all in the same boat.
     
  17. Izak

    Izak I Shot The ALBATROSS

    Jan 29, 2016
    I don't think literature belongs in that boat, the market's oversaturated and the only modern well-known books are Young Adult novels. The only way literatures benefited from the modern world is through the internet and, the internets basically killed the print industry.
     
  18. AlbertCole

    AlbertCole First time out of the vault

    76
    Mar 27, 2016
    Dude, don't give them ideas. >_>

    Yup, that's true. But at least in today’s gaming market there's a certain variety. There're a lot of fresh ideas and diversity to be found in the indy/small studio section. The AAAs on the other hand are mostly heading towards repetition and monotony (with exceptions here and there of course).
     
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  19. Earth

    Earth Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2013
    Good books still exist. But just like good video games you've got to look for them. And just like good video games they get very little publicity.
     
  20. PossibleCabbage

    PossibleCabbage Vault 22 Survivor

    889
    Jul 2, 2015
    I think at all points in human history the creative works that are looked back in retrospect as the best of its kind in its era were generally not the ones that were also most popular in their times. Most people are just interested in something pleasant and diverting, and sometimes the really good stuff is challenging in a way that is only widely understood from perspective granted by distance.

    So I don't think this is a new phenomenon.
     
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