Sequels that are at least debatbly better than their predecessors? (All genres and mediums)

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by R.Graves, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    Witcher 3 and especially its expansion

    Divinity Original Sin 2
    Crusader kings 2
    Europe universalis 4
    Heart of iron III
    Starcraft II
    Assasin creed 2 and basically the entire ezio trilogy
    Total war: Attila
    Fallout: New vegas
    Crysis warhead (a spin off but nevertheless improvement to crysis 1)
    Age of Empire 2

    The Dark knight
    Dredd (2012)
    Toy story 2
    Lord of the ring the return of the kings, the second film make me fall asleep :-(
    The Bourne Supremacy & Ultimatum

    Dungeon and dragon 3.5th and 5th edition
    Cyberpunk 2020

    Autodesk inventor 2016
    Windows 7 :cool:

    The extended phenotype
     
  2. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    That's not a sequel.

    But if we're branching this thread out to remakes then..

    The fly (1986)
    The thing
    Scarface
    King kong
     
  3. TheAdversary

    TheAdversary Curious Incubus

    Jun 25, 2017
    Normally one provides their proofs before they make the statement.

    Yes we do. Immortan Joe runs a cult which has cultivated a somewhat civilized society around his iron-fisted rule. Further cementing his established position is the fact he controls all water in the surrounding region. His legacy is on the run with the rest of his "wives," motivating him to dispatch his entire army out of desperation to recover Angharad. This could be seen in the first 20 minutes of the film. Also, most of these bad guys in the movie are representations of typical action movie throwaways. They are all either batshit mental, or hopped up on spray paint, allowing them to fit the role as stupid action minions without stressing ones suspension of disbelief. It also allows for a lot more creative takes on the action than what a typical action movie would feature.

    That statement does not accurately represent the characters in Fury Road.

    Good grief, his first action towards the women was to steal their rig. He doesn't even trust them to have weapons for the first 10-20 minutes that they're actually with him. Not only that, but he doesn't develop any major emotional bond with the ladies in Fury Road. The most he did out of kindness for them was a blood transfusion for Furiosa.

    That's cool, let's just leave out all the character-y bits of Max, y'know, the thing that you tauted in your previous post which made the Mad Max series what it was. All you really did was provide a statement that has been emphasized in every Mad Max film, even Fury Road. Max is a vagabond.
     
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  4. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    Better or comparable.

    - Fallout 2&NV, Age Of Empires 2, Jagged Alliance 2, Myth 2, Silent Hill 2, Metal Slug 2&3, Hotline Miami 2, Shadowrun Dragonfall.

    - I guess many simulations games like Sim City, The Sims or Civilization had several games that consisted on upgrades of the same formula (and then some less faithfull iterations). Also, some other game like Street Fighter or Mario or Sonic, are more of less iterations of the same formula, with a few cosmetic changes here and there.
     
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  5. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    Here's few...
    The Roadwarrior
    Godfather part 2
    Fallout 2
    Civilization 4
     
  6. raynor009

    raynor009 Hell yeah!

    Apr 29, 2012
    Son I am dissapoint... No one here mention the Metro series?
    Metro 2033
    Metro Last Light(redux versions are even better)
    and coming soon... Metro Exodus

    These are the only games I am confident to pre-order.
     
  7. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Unpopular Opinion: 28 weeks later is better than 28 days later.

    28 weeks later feels like it tries lots of new stuff and pulls it off so goddamned well!
     
  8. TheAdversary

    TheAdversary Curious Incubus

    Jun 25, 2017
    I don't know, man. A lot of what made 28 Days Later so great was its societal commentary. 28 Weeks was by no means bad, but it no longer has what made 28 Days so special when compared to other apocalypse thrillers.
     
  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Lol no.

    Lesser villain
    Bethesda level dumb shit
    Tonal nightmare
    Entire towns with like 2 or 3 quests. (Modoc or Redding)
    Fight with frank horrigan is unavoidable regardless of your stats.

    Fallout 1 didn't have these problems.

    Bigger =/= better

    Fallout 2 is easily the third best fallout game.

    Reeeeeeeee
     
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  10. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    Fallout 1 has a much much better MAIN plot (and admitelly, more open-handed), a bigger work in backstories, but parts of its world feels like kind of bland and cliche compared with Fallout 2, with Shady Sands and Junktown amongs the biggest offenders. (some Fo2 locations are underwhelming, but there is much more good locations and they appear sooner on your radar.)
     
  11. Madbringer

    Madbringer What is it that crawls behind the glass? Orderite

    Apr 9, 2004
    Maybe not as much "bland and cliche", just Fallout 1 is so focused in what it's trying to do, to a great effect, admittedly, but it's just so much smaller in scale in comparison to Fallout 2. I truly believe, despite F2 betraying some core aspects of the original, it is a better game. It just plays better. It lasts longer. It allows more freedom of choice in builds and story paths. It feels more grand, more epic. It certainly has better replay value, if less polish.

    As for other sequels being better than originals:
    Master of Orion 2
    Heroes of Might and Magic 2
    Terminator 2
    Hexen (it IS a sequel to Heretic :p)
    Terminal Velocity: Nova
    Little Big Adventure 2
    Geneforge 2
    Privateer 2
    X3: Reunion (admittedly, Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude were better, but this was the landmark)
    Syndicate Wars
     
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  12. TheAdversary

    TheAdversary Curious Incubus

    Jun 25, 2017
    I remember someone said I could just use the mutated toe. He actually believed what he was saying, too.
     
  13. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    While i like metro series, i need to say that there is some aspect of the sequal that is worse compared to metro 2033 like the ui, the ranger difficulty, the ammo system and the sense of atmosphere & survival...in metro last light you got too much action that basically just remind me of any CoD games. I do cant wait for the upcoming Metro Exodus
     
  14. Eshanas

    Eshanas Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    Jul 6, 2016
    I thought Mad Max took place at least around 2, and definitely before 3. Dunno why there's so much contention around that.
     
  15. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    Not gonna deny its problems, there are quite a few, and Fallout was definitely tighter and more coherent package, but the overall experience in 2 is more varied, the companions are better, the setting is more expansive and versatile, the pacing is more loose, and there are a number of technical improvements that improve the experience (inventory, pushing people, etc). It’s better as a game, less so as a work of fiction.

    Also, about Horrigan, he needs to be killed, but you do not need to fire a single shot. Others can be made to do the fighting for you.

    People often get carried away with few offplaced jokes that somehow obfuscate the good bits. I can tolerate that to a degree and not overanalyze and nitpick if I’m having a good time otherwise and if I think the good overshadows the bad (and that’s not just a Fallout thing, it goes for all games).

    And ”third best”? New Vegas has shit gameplay. Much like Bethesda’s where it derived from. No amount Obsidian pencilwork can help that, and didn’t.
     
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  16. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    What is 'gameplay', in this case? The combat? Shooting mechanics?
     
  17. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    The minute to minute gameplay flow. All of it, basically, combat included. Well, dialog less so (the only place where the character systems get to shine).

    Due to the insistence on a singular big map, the game is paradoxically too big and too small at the same time as the quests and stories scream for bigger distances (world na and hub design) and yet trudging through the empty (appropriately, mind you) terrain is a fucking bore. Exploration feels empty as the game clearly didn’t intend on Bethesda levels of pointless sightseeings. Combat is Serious Sam esque HP grind but without the tongue in cheek fun factor. And aside from dialog, the character system feels next to irrelevant.

    ...in short.

    It’s not overall a bad game inspite of how that above description sounds, though. But it does come short as a Fallout game with its gameplay.
     
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  18. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Fallout has never had great gameplay. Every single fallout game can be tedious at times. Where fallout 1&nv shine is through their presentation of the world and the people in it with and overall consistent tone with great characters and quests. Fallout 2 has so much dumb shit that in some ways it's on the level of 3&4 and the fact that the final boss must be fought is unforgivable especially considering the enclaves position on mutants and what frank horrigan is. Talking him down could've easily made sense. It has more problems as a fallout game than new vegas. Besides until the institute the enclave was the series worst villain.
     
  19. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    There’s always been room improvement and honing, that much is certainly true. But the thing is, Fallout and Fallout 2 played like proper RPG’s derived from tabletop and PnP games, New Vegas is clumsy a half-shooter just like Fallout 3 that doesn’t dare to use its character systems to their full potential because it needs to be a shooter.

    It’s pointless to argue ”I think this is good, what you think is good is shit”. That leads to nowhere. The merits and shortcomings are all in the use of the gameplay systems. New Vegas is still miles away from Fallout 2 regardless of it’s better focus on coherence of the setting and adhearence to the more serious tone of first game because 2 plays much more true to form (obviously). Had it played somewhat similiarly to, say, Wizardry 8, Might and Magic 6 or even Morrowind, I’d be definitely singing a different song here. Alas, as it is, in this regard, it’s just a Bethesda game with a twist (for reasons one can sympathize with, but nevertheless).
     
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  20. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Basically it's a bad sequel for being a type of game you don't like... That doesn't work. The core of fallout is very much alive in new vegas and I'd argue it's more present in new vegas than it is in 2.