So as of Fallout 3, ghouls can be made instantly, huh?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Grimhound, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. Grimhound

    Grimhound Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 22, 2008
    Originally I thought the whole Moira thing was a one-off fluke in an attempt to be funny. Now in Fallout: New Vegas we have it where [spoiler:840008db17]the Legion detonates a radiation bomb and [/spoiler:840008db17]people are turned into ghouls instantly. What the hell?
     
  2. Thomas de Aynesworth

    Thomas de Aynesworth Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 9, 2010
    I thought the Moira thing was a cop out because if she died - you wouldn't be able to complete her idiotic survival guide quest.
     
  3. SomeBritishDude

    SomeBritishDude First time out of the vault

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    Feb 21, 2010
    Ghoul logic has always been a bit funny.

    My reasoning; If it doesn't kill ya, it turns ya.
     
  4. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I also find this a rather unnecessary change, especially the large population of Feral Ghouls that are now around or the 'running zombies' of Fallout.

    The original idea was way better, people only changing into Ghouls in certain circumstances and over a period of years or decades.
    And again only loosing their high brain functions due to certain circumstances like the Endless Walkers from Van Buren.
     
  5. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    It turns ya, but over long time. I don't like the ncr bomb thingy as well, but I keep telling myself that they didn't turned into ghouls right after, but some time later. It's still not cool, but better than the Moira-shit.

    And yes, feral ghouls now beeing Fallout's new zombies is really shit. Didn't liked it in Fallout 3, don't like it in FNV and will most likly not like it in the next game. Ghouls are too damn common now.
     
  6. Grimhound

    Grimhound Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 22, 2008
    I think they may have tried to do a Return of the Living Dead reference or something with the strange canisters of radiological waste being representative of Trioxin 2-4-5. If so, I can excuse it.

    It's just vague as all hell unless you actually get the potential reference.

    Note: If this is the case it would be a deeply concealed reference or something botched. It doesn't match any of the circumstances of the films.
     
  7. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    well if they wanted a walking dead option, they have vault 22.. sort of.
     
  8. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    That would be a better idea Grimhound, the people at Camp Searchlight having been turned into some new kind of feral mutant due to what the Legion did.
     
  9. Grimhound

    Grimhound Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jan 22, 2008
    If I were going to explain it canonically? The canisters were filled with a biological weapon developed by the pre-war military. They planned to use it on the Chinese and brought it to the desert for testing.
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Something that I would totally accept though are ghoul raiders or crazy ghouls armed with weapons and also talking not always acting like a simply brain damaged zombi. Ghouls never have been like the simple "zombi" to me. Hence the rockporn testcite was awesome with those ghouls trying to reach ... well that would be to much of a spoiler :3
     
  11. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Of course, lets have Ghoul raiders, Ghoul militias or Ghoul cults, they don't all have to be friendly.

    I know people hate FOBOS/FOPOS for a good reason, but I sort of like the idea behind the Church of the Lost even though the concept design of its founder Blake turned out really stupid.

    But not loads of zombie like Ghouls anymore.

    Know what? No zombies of any kind.

    Edit: Ghoul Slavers
     
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I loved those nuclear-bomb-worshiping ghouls a lot. Particularly since the bomb looked like a modern warehead and not like that strange fatman thing. Fallout was about a 50s vision not about showing everything "like" the 50s which Fallout 3 did way to many times. Luckily it seems Vegas at least "somewhat" moved away from that. REally who said that the world the poast apocalyptic world had to stop right after the bombs droped, people not developing own s tyles, and such.
     
  13. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I still want to see The Reservation, Ghouls organizing behind a leader who is going to stick it to the humans.
     
  14. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    At least some of the Ghouls at Camp Searchlight weren't actually feral and attacked the player with knives and (on one occassion) guns.
     
  15. Freki

    Freki First time out of the vault

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    Nov 9, 2010
    I'd still like the option to play as a Ghoul. Admit it, it'd be interesting being able to heal from Radiation and having to maneuver through the insanity that is racism towards non smooth-skins
     
  16. Lexx

    Lexx Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    Apr 24, 2005
    This is a really good idea and *if* it is really needed to have such "we turn everyone into monsters fast"-story, it's better to explain it with some other monster, imo. Like the cannibals in the Grand Canyon or the Gehennas in Burham Springs. (imagine feral ghouls in the Burham Springs coal mine....)

    Sadly, Fallout 3 now introduced the new ghoul zombies and we will see them again and again and again. It's like when the bombs fell, everyone either died or transformed into a zombie. What the fuck.
     
  17. Forbidden

    Forbidden First time out of the vault

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    Nov 7, 2010
    Is there any reference to how long Searchlight has been like that? NCR arrived seven years before FNV. Maybe it's been that way since around the time of the original hoover dam battle?
     
  18. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Eh, one of the NCR officers who was stationed there is still patrolling the region to warn people, if that happened seven years ago I think it would be more common knowledge by now.
     
  19. C2B

    C2B Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Aug 17, 2010
    Wait what? [spoiler:e9edce184a]A radiation bomb detonated in Searchlight?[/spoiler:e9edce184a]
    [spoiler:e9edce184a]
    I thought it was because of these radiated barrels[/spoiler:e9edce184a]
     
  20. Forbidden

    Forbidden First time out of the vault

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    Nov 7, 2010
    In FNV, they do feel a bit out of place, just hanging about in the wastes. In Fallout3, they were introduced, I think, because the designers needed an appropriate monster to fill the extensive DC underground. In the DC underground, the feral ghouls worked well. But out in the wastes where you can just pick them off at long range... it just didn't work.