so is there any good bonus to completing NV in hardcore?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Soapstone, Oct 14, 2015.

  1. Pipgirl2000

    Pipgirl2000 Wastelander

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    Nov 9, 2015
    For me, just playing through on hardcore and being able to finish is the bonus in itself
     
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  2. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Gyro Captain

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    Dec 11, 2013
    Yes. The bonus is that it makes New Vegas a slightly more immersive, challenging, rewarding experience.
     
  3. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
    Why do you guys call a lack of hardcore "training wheels?" A). the first few Fallout games didn't have survival elements, and B). it's not training wheels if there's no way to take them off. Then they're just wheels.

    Also, I don't like F:NV on anything but casual easy. Call me a wimp, but I hate bulletsponges and my hording and munchkin brain refuses to devote space and skill points to food, water, and Survival. I did beat F:NV on hardcore normal, though.
     
  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    The first Fallout games weren't action games so survival elements weren't needed or would even fit. Companions weren't immortal either and taking a Stimpak in combat was meaningful as it would take Action Points thus you couldn't just shove them on your face Machinegun style. Even then bullets did have weight in Fallout 1 and 2.

    On an action game thatis supposedly about "immurshuns" and survival, the lack of such mechanics is ridiculous, and FO3 was alreadya brokenly easy game with you being able to carry 10k mmissiles without them weighting you down and you have an auto aim ability that also shielded you from 90% of the damage in combat.

    If you can't take the traainning wheels off something then they don't stop being training wheels, that just means your bicycle is trating you like an idiot.
     
  5. PossibleCabbage

    PossibleCabbage Vault 22 Survivor

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    Jul 2, 2015
    I play NV exclusively on Very Hardcore, and I still manage to kill almost everything in one hit (roboscorpions are a notable exception). What is it that you're doing that you think enemies are "bullet sponges"? Are you using low DAM weapons against high DT opponents? If so, don't do that.
     
  6. Doctor 0

    Doctor 0 Still Mildly Glowing

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    Sep 8, 2015
    Also, make use of that special ammo.
     
  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Get "piercing strike" "Grand slam" and use the poisons if you are a Melee character.
     
  8. Sergeant Politeness

    Sergeant Politeness Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Jun 20, 2015
    I personnally don't really like hardcore mode. The game clearly isn't balanced to play with it so the needs just becomes a pain in the ass. And it's downright impossible to keep those damm companions alive.

    I like some of the changes though, like the stimpacks healing over time and the amm having weight.
     
  9. trollieno

    trollieno First time out of the vault

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    Nov 16, 2015
    Same achievement of Playing Skyrim with Frostfall and RND installed..
     
  10. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
    Guys, when I shoot a raider in the face with a shotgun, I expect his face to fly off in a spectacular fashion, because that's what a shotgun is for. I've had times where raiders can take a point-blank shot to the face with a flippin' sniper rifle! I can unload an entire minigun magazine onto a Centurion and he'll still not go down! And, of course, I'm on console, where mods are non-existent. I'd rather play on Easy then have to waste an infinitely high amount of ammo on friggin' raiders.

    Or, y'know, get the MF Hyperbreeder Alpha thingy from GRA and go nuts. Seriously, despite it's rather lame stats, it's a friggin beast. It's an almost-automatic laser gun with limitless ammo. VATS becomes obsolete if I get this thing. I might even try and bring it into Dead Money via glitch.
     
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  11. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Gyro Captain

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    Dec 11, 2013
    I've beaten it on Very Hard/Hardcore, but I also dislike the bullet sponge effect, so I usually play it on Normal/Hardcore. I also have the game on console, so sadly I can't just download the JE Sawyer Mod.

    That said, I have no problem taking down even the toughest enemies. You just have to optimize your build for combat.

    By far the easiest way to play is a Guns build with the Grunt perk. Use the 9mm submachine gun and the Grenade Rifle for the early part of the game (i.e. levels 1-12 or so), then swap them out for an Assault Carbine and Grenade Launcher when you get to Vegas. You will easily shred anything with this combination. Put some points into Explosives and add a rank or two of Demolition Expert to make you even more unstoppable. You'll be insanely overpowered by mid-game and may need to turn it up to Very Hard just to have a bit of a challenge.

    If you're playing energy weapons, make sure your build has high critical hits, get Vigilant Recycler and use Optimized ammunition. You'll disintegrate everything. This is by far my favorite way to play, and yes, the MF Hyperbreeder Alpha is a beast with the right perks.

    If you're playing melee/unarmed, Piercing Strike, Grand Slam, Paralyzing Palm, etc. And choose whether you want to have high critical hits, or take the Heavy Handed trait and use Rippers, Chainsaws, etc.

    Do one of these three builds and you will never have a problem killing anything in 1-3 hits, assuming you aren't trying to fight Deathclaws at Level 1.



    If I have the two shotgun perks (Shotgun Surgeon & ...And Stay Back!), everyone's face flies when hit by my scattergun.
     
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  12. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
    I've never one-shotted anything stronger than a powder ganger with any shotgun except maybe the combat shotgun.
     
  13. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Gyro Captain

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    Dec 11, 2013
    Then you're doing it wrong, I don't know what to tell ya
     
  14. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
    Tomorrow I'll run an experiment near several raider camps. I haven't used a shotgun since level 9.
     
  15. PossibleCabbage

    PossibleCabbage Vault 22 Survivor

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    Jul 2, 2015
    How close are you to your target and what kind of ammo are you using? Regular shotgun ammo spreads a lot so it's not much use except at short range. Try using slug ammo?
     
  16. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

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    Jul 7, 2014
    I've tried slugs at point blank. Do I just have bad luck or something?
     
  17. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Mildly Dipped

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    Jun 7, 2008
    I like Hardcore mode because half of the crafting and inventory management is pointless without it. I've always had way too many stimpaks, anyway. With it on, I can't just spam those for near-infinite health in a firefight, limb condition is a real concern, and food is less than completely worthless. So much better.
     
  18. FlameBot

    FlameBot First time out of the vault

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    Aug 9, 2016
    Your manliness levels go up if you beat hardcore.
     
  19. Millim

    Millim Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Orderite [REDACTED]

    Oct 13, 2010
    I've done two Hardcore modes in my time.
    One with legion and the other with Mr House.

    Sadly with Legion, I got to the very end and eneded up hitting a brick wall, so I kind of gave up.
    With Mr House however, I did it w/o fast travel and it added a lot more into the game.

    I may do a Very Hardcore mode one day, but today is not that day.
     
  20. Whammytap

    Whammytap First time out of the vault

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    Aug 5, 2016
    Holy pack Brahmin! Expired Stimpacks? Now that's realistic. Must try this mod if it's compatible with the mod I'm already running.

    Do you guys get full limb healing out of a Doctor's Bag? When I use one, it only restores just enough of the limb to make it technically not crippled, but far from 100%, more like 25%. Does its effectiveness depend on your Survival skill? (Being lazy here, I know, I could just Wiki it.)