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Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Ediros, Jun 13, 2021.
Can you elaborate?
I promise this will be the last time I am going off-topic
This thread is a lot of pages that I don't have time to check at the moment. Did this get posted yet?
The implication here is that people here haven't moved on and are not instead playing good games. Slinging shit at Bethesda for their bad games, at least for me, is for funsies because i like to criticize them for their shitty games.
I know there's a misconception from sites like Reddit that this site is forever stuck shitting on Bethesda and not do anything else. But we do that while playing good games. Fuck, we make kick ass total conversion mods for the original games that don't take literal decades to be released, while a lot of the total conversions from Bethesda games are still in perpetual development limbo.
Meanwhile Reddit and other sites spend a lot of their time whining about whiners, which is totally better and doesn't make you into a crybaby because some people dare to not like the same games you do.
Dialog and writting can't be modded.
You do know what is a total conversion mod is, right? Because that's not fixing the original two games, that's making new games out of those two games.
And Fallout 1 and 2 are great without mods. Meanwhile Bethesda games are terrible without mods and even after modding it, you have to avoid so much crap like the writing and quest design to have a good time.
Shit, the best Bethesda games like Nehrim and Enderal weren't even made by Bethesda but by fans. They only used two bad games as bases.
Well I play a lot of games that I don't need to mod the shit out of and I enjoy them just fine. In Fact New Vegas I only mod to make better not to change fundamentals of the game to make it not shit. Modding the writting and the dialogue? THat's not how modding works. Like it has been stated a lot of times before Modding in a skill system into FO4 is also pretty useless because the entire questing and game progression is built around the shit perk system so you would also have basically rework EVERYTHING to make a skill system worth anything in FO4, and at that point.... just play New Vegas or 1 and 2, or play another game, The Outer World has bad perks but at least skills work quite well.
Yeah it might surprise you kiddo (Mecha) but just because we post news about shitty Bethesda games does not mean we are slitting our wrists due to how bad they suck. I mean maybe one or two guys here are really overly depressed over dumb shit like this but generally people are here to have fun and you are taking shit way too serious.
This place had that reputation in 1999, long before there was a Reddit, bub.
"Dialog and writting can't be modded." ... Total conversions can exist, but dialog and writing cant be modded. Yeah, Enderal just has the same quests and writing of the original Skyrim. Someone clearly doesnt know what they are talking about... It is cute however you think 'this' community pumps out more content than the modders of Bethesda games. This is such a weird flex. More effort had to be put into Enderal than all of the Fallout 1/2 conversions combined; this isnt even a dig, its just facts. Modding Fallout 2 is changing some values in a text file. Changing dialog in Fallout 2, that nigh impossible feat, is simply a matter of changing some text too.
Sounds like a bit of copium to me. "We love to have thread after thread of shit slinging, but its all in jolly good fun!" The dialog of this forum is worse than the dialog of the protagonists in Fallout 4. But, its, for me, not even really about the complaining (though whining is cringe as fuck) its that people unironically don't seem to understand that what you see is what you get. Having a hyper specific expectation for games is just stupid. You never get to the stage of realization that this is how it is and you should do what you can to improve it/enjoy it. The pissing and moaning that goes on here is coming from the same idealistic, reality denialism of the political left and its desire for a "better society". Except people arent bitching and moaning about how the world isnt the way they want it to be, its people bitching and moaning about muh gaems.
You could tell me to fuck off and not come here then, fair enough I only came to ask one tech question that didnt get answered. But the amount of moaning and negativity here doesnt help anyone or your reputation with others, and even more cringy is it causes other people who are younger to come here and go "Whoa shit! Being a whiny bitch is actually cool! And I can say retard and faggot and nobody gets mad?!" You have a couple(?) shitposting threads, but those seem to be the places with the least amount of shitposting. If its really true (its not) everyone here is just cool calm and collected and they have fun ragging on Bethesda in a not serious manner, then I would think the rest of the forums would be a more pleasant place to be. But, they really arent unless you get in line and accept the narrative that is being pushed down by all the group think.
This place is, ironically, about as whiny as Twitter, except instead of being mad that a game doesnt have a bisexual black trans woman, its anger because a game doesnt have your preferred quest design orientation. And instead of me being a racist, Im a "Bethfag". Lol.
It's been a while since we got one of these trolls.
Yes, because Enderal is totally just Skyrim and not a complete separate entity with its own questlines and sidequests detached from vanilla. Meaning it doesn't do jack shit to vanilla quests, dialogue and writing. Now i wonder who here doesn't know what they are talking about.
The point here is that a lot of the writing and quest design in Bethesda games are utter trash and completely terrible to the point that you have to drop them in favor of much better writing and quests. Same thing with the dialogue, you would have to rewrite to the point that you would ask yourself why even bother. Just make new stuff up instead and people do that with total conversion mods.
But please, do show me a mod that rewrites and redesigns the entirety of a Bethesda game to make it less dumb and bad. And not just change gameplay or fix bugs or change textures.
Not specifically this community, but the community that focuses on the original two games for total conversion mods. There's a wasteland of total conversion mods for Bethesda games that haven't been finished like Skywind, Morroblivion and so on. Meanwhile the original Fallout games have gotten plenty of TC mods in recent years and much better than the crap Bethesda releases.
Don't confuse "hyper specific expectation" with "basic as fuck standard". What some people want from Bethesda is games that don't insult their intelligence. Basically not make games for babies, specially in series where the target demographic wasn't dumbasses that don't actually give a shit about your franchise except if it's the flavor of the month.
Who's the one that started whining that some people here don't like your favorite games and started complaining that people have "too high standards"? No one gave a shit that you like Fallout 4, but you had to start bitching that some people here don't like it when no one cared that you like it.
Let people dislike whatever they want, for whatever reason they want. It's none of your business what people like or dislike. And if people want to complain about Bethesda, it's their business.
I mean who is the fag typing out paragraph after paragraph of shit we have heard before while using zoomer memes? I'll give you a hint it is you.
Oh man I can feel you typing out one right now. I bet you think you are on another level than all these autist fucks here but you are just another kind of retard. I mean who comes to a forum and starts acting like a bitch? You either come to talk to people or come to act like a bitch and you are acting like a bitch.
Here it comes.
Apparently Members of NMA do.
That's called irony.
No member of NMA goes anywhere and starts trolling like your bitch ass. If they do they have 20 something posts like you.
Well only the ones with no avatars that comes to go through this repetitive dance of meltdowns and whinning.
Listen CT. Phipps likes Bethesda, he is full on a fan, and while some people snipe at him (some in a overly autistic combative fashion) but he participates on other discussions and shit.
That's because the members of NMA have been banned from everywhere else. And then they just bull shited themselves into thinking they were somehow the victim, like the bitching you were doing about the Codex. "Boo hoo, the people at the other stupid nerd-site kept downvoting my posts so I threw a tantrum!" Yeah, they did it because youre a dumbass who doesnt have anything intelligent to say but you just don't realize it yet. Just look at your post history, its all edgylordy quips and "just joking" whining about random shit. I made an account 6 years ago and lurked and then made a few posts and suddenly I am the whiny bitch troll.
Most of what I have mentioned, if it were rectified, would make everything around here a lot more pleasant to be around and people would quit whining about how bad NMA community is. I have contributed more useful dialog to this forum than your entire post history has.
Only when someone comes here and says "Listen you guys don't get it but I am so smart that I do here is the deal" do they get this response. It's boring and gay and in the wrong fucking thread to begin with. Go make thread about how NMA is soooo bad and you are telling it like it is. This thread is about Starfield and how all the people that bitch about Bethesda are still buying it. You are engaging on a shitty level due to being a faggot. Try not being a faggot. I'm sure you plan on sticking around with your 20 posts since 2016 and everything so kick back and really let us know how it is.
Oh great another redneck too. I bet you are reaaaallllll smart.
The effort would be wasted. You would get a lot more people on your side as a community if you were less Toxic. You want games to be better but the community you have built around that idea is just a really shitty place to visit. Bethesda wouldn't listen to your arguments simply because of where they come from. Bethesda does listen if the stink is loud enough and constructive enough, the big TC mods the community has made would be more popular and more widely played by people if the community wasnt garbage to new people.
As for time and place, there is no time and place here because all of the content is the same virtually everywhere you go. You would say the exact same stuff to me no matter the thread it was in, lol. I don't plan on sticking around really. Just viewing all of the negative content isnt good for mental health, much less engaging in it. I don't visit twitter at all or reddit very often for the exact same reason. Judging by your post history here (really cool feature btw) it hasn't done you any favors either. I am in the discord and its really dead. I am betting it is so because for a lot of people its bad enough that this is the only site with good Fallout 1/2 info but you have to dig through the slog to get to it, but the feeling that it would be the same shit but faster and live on discord is probably highly discouraging.
Edit: Also, its funny how often you use the word fag, but you also, probably(?) live in Toronto Canada, one of the most liberal places in the universe. Do you say it a lot because you can't say it anywhere else so you have to get it all out of your system here?
Why do you think anyone is even gonna read your 2 paragraph rants at this point? Why not just talk about the shit you find cool about this game then, you have the power of rerailing this thread you pulled into a mountain.
Or you can write another 2 paragraphs that nobody will read and then go talk about how mean we are on reddit and how you triggered and owned us all with facts and logic.
I think people expect a different response when they come here. I think people think when they come here they will really get everyone riled up but they don't realize apathy is a thing because they don't know what that word means.
Bethesda doesn't listen to anyone but themselves.
Apathy is, in zoomer speak, "cringy". Who enjoys being apathetic all the time? It's a very teenage emotion. If you have kids are you just going to tell them life is shit, you won't get what you want, people are dumb, and prepare for a life of disappointment? I am 36, I have played all the same classic games you did, when they were new. A lot of them had a lot of great things in them. But I also learned to just move on and find new things to enjoy in newer games, maybe that sounds "cringy" to you. And all of that being said, cRPGs DID make a return, Pathfinder and Pillars in recent years, Shadowrun games a decade ago. The stuff is still there it just isn't post-apocalyptic Fallout. Companies make what gamers want, bethesda fans keep buying bethesda games because its what they want. Other companies make cRPGs that do well for a cRPG but they dont surpass Fallout 4 or so in sales because most people don't want a cRPG (or the elements that make it one). Accept that you like the niche things and stop being so mad about the fact that your niche thing isnt the "in" thing.
I didnt expect to get anyone riled up, I expected people to be apathetic and doomer about how their favorite franchise was in their words "raped and dumped" by Bethesda, and I was disappointed that that is in fact what I found. And the only reason I did that was because I had an issue in Fallout 2 with saves being corrupted that google and DDG literally had not but one answer for and that answer didnt work. I wouldn't have posted otherwise.
I guess you picked the meltdown path.