Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Hotel California, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. Hotel California

    Hotel California Mildly Dipped

    Feb 6, 2005
    Ok, quick question for a little project.

    What do you reckon the FO universe's subs were like?

    I'm thinking perhaps 50s style Russian so long, thin and not as shaped as a U-Boat.

    Do you think they'ed have gone Nuclear.

    Propulsion naturally but what about if missiles?

    Another thing - RIVETS?

    I know from my studies that ships started being welded from the 50s onwards but in the game itself I see a lot of rivets. Do you think the Chinese sub would have rivets on?

    Needs your Ideas folk.


    Ok, Edit:

    I need to know which view is better:


    Or B:

    One of them is viewed with a proper perspective and the other is with the correct sizes relative to everything else.

    Also, is this the correct view? (I.e Isometric?)

    (This is going from a question to a proper project so could somone move this to the modding section please?)
  2. Karel

    Karel Still Mildly Glowing

    Jan 21, 2006
    Doesn't look bad but it's definitely not a Russian fifties design. Remember, Sputnik is 1958 (I believe), which is far from ICBM (actually, it used R7(?) which was a ballistic missile).

    First missile in duty were in 1961 (R13 or SS-N-4). Fallout submarine would be probably Golf-class, diesel-electric, refitted to carry missiles, or Hotel class.

    There are very few images, but you might be inspired by this one:

    Crashed B-52 (or parts) will be cool too :)

    Just a note: you need to have the rudder near the screw to maintain it's efficiency.
  3. Vault Maker

    Vault Maker Vault-Tec Cartographer

    Jun 27, 2006
    Definitely use the
    version. There's no perspective in the FO artwork. I think there is a sticky in the FO Modding forum on correct angle for the isometric projection, and light source/shadow specs too.

    It strikes me that the outside of the hull would be very functional, so "style" might not be how to think of it. Uh, like, form could follow function, or something. Perhaps add some fairings or blisters running longitudinally down the hull to give it a sort of streamlined Art Deco or 50s car look. Something to think about is that as military gear gets more complex and expensive, and as resources in the latter 21st century became scarce, old subs might be refitted with new weapons, propulsion, and, of course, good old analog gear, so fairings to house all that stuff would be consistent. Sacrificing a low sonar signature by adding more complex shapes could be worthwhile if you were adding new capabilities.

    The conning tower might be the place to lay down the really FO look. Though after I pontificated about the hull so much, I can't think of how... I really like the profusion of periscopes and aerials in Karel's post. Maybe because it accentuates the vertical conning tower against the horizontal hull. Then again, maybe all that stuff would look more "streamlined" if it was sloping toward the back.

    I would vote against rivets on the exterior. They would look strange, since subs moved past riveted hulls so early. I think that had to do with welded hulls performing better under pressure (so you can dive deeper, and withstand a near-miss by a depth charge) and also to make the surface smoother to reduce the sonar signature. Now rivets on the inside, that's another matter.

    Ships could make a cool location for a mod. Please keep working on it.
  4. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Fallout didn't happen in 50s...
  5. Karel

    Karel Still Mildly Glowing

    Jan 21, 2006
    No, it didn't. But if you read the story, you will see bombs, not rockets, so I expect in Fallout universe, it would be something like an improved bomber.
  6. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Which story?

    Improved bomber, not B52.
  7. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    No, references to both missiles and bombs exist in Fallout and Fallout 2, so your point is moot.

    The sub couldn't run on Diesel engines, because, get it, the war was for the last remaining resources on Earth, most importantly oil.

    So nuclear powered subs are the way.
  8. Animalize

    Animalize First time out of the vault

    Nov 2, 2007
    B52s are still in use and they are not planned to retire in long long time. I think a crashed flying wind would fit better in fallout world.
  9. Kahgan

    Kahgan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 25, 2003
    So you think they will still use B52's in 70 years?
  10. Animalize

    Animalize First time out of the vault

    Nov 2, 2007
    Hell yeah. Unless something revolutionary happens making Strategic bombers obsolete.
  11. Karel

    Karel Still Mildly Glowing

    Jan 21, 2006
    There is no replacement for them and as far as I know, they were on stand by till the end of Soviet Union. They could have well survived even more. Do you think hunting rifles would be used 70 years later if there are energetic weapons available?