The Fallout 3 That Should Have Been!

Discussion in 'Fallout 3 Discussion' started by ncr_insurgent, May 28, 2014.

  1. ncr_insurgent

    ncr_insurgent First time out of the vault

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    Nov 29, 2010
    So we all know that Fallout 3 left a lot of things to be desired, and over the past couple of weeks I have been wondering what would a GOOD Fallout 3 look like? Same setting, just some decent writing. So I tried to imagine my own Fallout 3, it would be pretty much the same size as the Bethesda game's map and maybe on Skyrim's engine or something. Anyways, here it is, keep in mind this is a very basic outline of what I have thought up. I hope this is an appropriate place to put this.

    Background
    When the Lone Wanderer emerges from inside Vault 101 in 2243, they encounter a Capital Wasteland divided between relatively primitive tribals, and and "civilized" wastelanders who often live inside large, fortified settlements. The tribals are divided between large organized tribes of scavengers and herders and small rouge bands of raiders who subsist largely on theft and banditry. The settlers consist of farmers and traders mostly, though many also work in nomadic caravans that go from city to city, or for mercenary companies that thrive off of the capitol wasteland's dangerous uncertainty. Territory in DC itself constantly changes hands between different groups of tribal scavengers, and is crawling with bandits and slavers. Most settlements are situated along the relative safety of the riverfront, though some take advantage of the rural seclusion in the Capital Wasteland's southwest. The tribals pick over the remains of the DC Suburbs and live off of small flocks of various livestock, some also have trade relations with friendly settlements.

    Settlements


    Megaton
    The first settlement the Lone Wanderer encounters following their emergence into the Capital Wasteland, given it's close proximity to Vault 101. Megaton is a relatively recent town, created in an old bomb crater by enterprising caravanners who noticed it's convenient location as a secure "rest stop" for traders passing through the area on their way to tribal camps and other settlements. Because of it's close proximity to the raider-ridden ruin of Springvale, Megaton's security forces are constantly battling primitive raiders lurking outside the city walls.

    Megaton makes most of its status as a stop on the Capital Wasteland's trade highway, a crescent running from the secure northern trade hub of Canterbury Commons to the fertile southwestern settlement of Tenpenny. The town is controlled by a simple council comprised of the sheriff, doctor, and several local business leaders.

    Greyditch
    The closest settlement to the DC ruins, Greyditch is a trade community which thrives off it's relationship with tribal scavengers. For example, if some dirt-covered tribal combing through a basement in DC found some hyper-advanced government insect growth serum, this is where he would drop it off and this is where it would be made available to the general consumer, for a price.

    Like Megaton, Greyditch is also fortified against tribal raider attack, as it is located just outside of the hazardous DC ruins. It is the home of the "DC Rangers" a mercenary company which specializes in serving as guides and escorts to individual's interested in going through the DC ruins.

    Canterburry Commons

    The northernmost point of the Capital Wasteland's "trade crescent" of settlements. The majority of DC's caravan companies are based here, with their owners forming the town's governing council. It's location is relatively secure, nearby tribals are friendly and peaceful, and to it's north are arid, sparsely inhabited wastes.

    When it comes to wealth, Canterburry Commons is rivaled only by the southern settlement of Tenpenny. It's status as the DC Wasteland's de facto trade headquarters makes it a place where pretty much any good can be bought, from high end weapons and armor to advanced medical supplies.

    Tenpenny
    Located on the grounds of an old plantation, Tenpenny is the most fertile of all the settlements in the Capital Wasteland. It is also the most autocratic, run by the patriarch of the ruling family after whom the town was named. The majority of the town's labor is done by tribals captured by slavers operating out of the nearby settlement of Paradise Falls, who deal bulk amounts of drugs to the Tenpenny family, who then give the drugs to nearby bands of tribal raiders, in order to "buy them off".

    Paradise Falls
    The central hub of the Capital Wasteland's underworld, Paradise Falls is also the only settlement where slaves can be bought and sold. Slavers from Paradise Falls operate in the DC ruins and suburbs, capturing tribal scavengers and selling them to settlements like Tenpenny, or even tribal raiders. It's status as the center of DC's black market means that not only drugs, but unique technology and work can be found here.
     
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  2. ncr_insurgent

    ncr_insurgent First time out of the vault

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    Nov 29, 2010
    Keep in mind this is a work in progress and I haven't thought up everything yet but I'll add to this as new things come to me!

    Be sure to tell me what you think!
     
  3. woo1108

    woo1108 Vault Senior Citizen

    Sep 27, 2012
    How about connecting each community with main stream?
    each community can offer you informations about father or components to fixed water purifier.
    to acquire them, you have to visit or search every communities to find out clues to beat the game.
    of course, you can learn destinations before do all the quests by accident or by logic.
    this can make fo3's mainstream far better.

    for me, the most ugly thing of fo3 is totally broken main quest..
    it can be better but beth didn't.:sad:
     
  4. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Heh, I did one of these (two I think) years ago.
     
  5. ncr_insurgent

    ncr_insurgent First time out of the vault

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    Nov 29, 2010
    Yeah I'm going to be thinking up of a completely new main quest, though I might borrow heavily from some parts that Bethesda came up with.
     
  6. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    My take on the main quest was about about a modified GECK. The player's father had created the technology at the Oasis which served as a testing ground, with various factions such as Rivet City, the Overseer of Vault 101, Ghouls, and perhaps Tenpenny being after the device for control of the Capital Wasteland. (It could make it all green and fertile again)

    The Talon Mercs would have played a greater role, being more of a nemesis to the player.

    Tenpenny Tower would have had this little shanty town around it inhabited by people who work for the people living in the tower, dreaming one day of getting to live there as well.
    The raiders at Evergreen Mills would have actually been working for Tenpenny, being his source of money.

    Canterbury Commons would have been pretty much the same as your take but would also include Brahmin rustlers, and a cult that had taken over the nearby Robot Repair Center.
     
  7. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    I like those ideas. =D

    I too contemplated "story fixes" for the game to work in tandem with TONS of mechanical fixes.

    -The events of the game took place around roughly 2100, not 2277 (which is largely an agreed-upon given by most here, considering the setting not matching the timeline).
    -As a consequence of the timeline "fix", ALL characters who could not physically appear here would not be included (Harold, for example). This would be all for the best, no doubt.

    -Little Lamplight would remain as is, as far as population and their relationship to Big Town and Paradise Falls, because the timeline alteration would finally allow this into conceivable possibility.
    -Vault 87 would not be accessible through Little Lamplight, so the absurd dilemma of "for almost 200 years a group of children can hold off Frankensteins that grow more powerful as they age" would be removed.
    -There would still be "Yellow Mutants", the only nod to FOBOS, though not necessarily FROM Vault 87 itself. There would just be a faction of Mutants that grew stronger with age, as in FOBOS/FO3.

    The locations, communities, and major factions would receive a huge appearance overhaul, to give them something to do, a power struggle, and reasons to HAVE any stake in the desolate Capitol Wasteland.

    -The East Coast Brotherhood were more like the FO1 Regulators, a military group that originated from a Vault that had the same split as in the game, but not because of any BOS ties or conflicts with the Codex.
    -The East Coast Enclave were more like the Reavers from FOT, a fanatical group of technologically well-off psychos that had nothing to do with the actual Enclave.
    -Eden could still take the same form and role in the game, and finding him would have explained why the group had managed to organize, because he was revered by these technophiles as some sort of god.
    -The conflict between the "East Coast Regulators and Reavers" would have been MUCH greyer as a result, since neither of them were outright good or evil, just out for their own agenda.

    -The abundant Raiders littering the wastes would officially be revealed as the biproduct of Vault 106's experiment, a clear nod to the film Serenity, and explain why they're mindless hostiles who can't be talked down.
    -The Raiders and the "Yellow Mutants" would serve as the only sporadically antagonizing "groups" that could not be dealt with as recruitable or joinable major factions.

    -Paradise Falls acts as a major faction (and possible retroactive founder of Slaver Guilds found in FO2) and they as well as Talon Company would conflict with the "East Coast Regulators" instead of the 87 Super Mutants.
    -The "Underground Railroad" would be done away with, but there would be escaped slaves tracked down by Slavers. Function in the story would remain effectively the same, but remove all the cheese from it.
    -Talon Company Mercs are more than hostile antagonists. You could assault Fort Bannister, if you chose, or you could sick other factions against them, or possibly find a diplomatic solution to get them to join your side.

    -Tenpenny and his tower would stay as is, since it would now make sense for a class-conflict to erupt, started by an elitist Brit, as he emigrated BEFORE the Great War, thanks to the timeline change.
    -Oasis still exists, though mostly because of its seclusion sparing it from most nuclear fire, not because of Harold. The conflict with the regional factions would give credence to the fanatics choosing to keep it secret.
    -No Vampires. Just..... no.

    The Main Campaign would be overhauled completely, both because the major factions involved are either gone or totally different, as well as because Liberty Prime was just stupid.

    -James' role is practically untouched. He's still a scientist who flees to 101 after his wife's death, and abandons the Vault 19 years later. He's still tracked from location to location.
    -James' fate is determined based on how quickly the player tracks him down, if at all, but it's not central to the ending of the game.
    -GECK remains a key component to finalizing Project Purity, but it's the same unremakable (but vital) object as it appeared in FO2; it hasn't undergone some supernatural terraforming reimagining.
    -Project Purity is effectively the same, but what happens to it is based on time elapsed, not the player's progress in a main questline. The "Reavers" will take over the Memorial eventually.
    -The final battle will either be tackled solely by the player (which is suicidal), OR recruit the factions in the game to form a combined assault, which can be approached many different ways (classic Fallout formula).
    -The goal of recruiting factions for a final assault gives PURPOSE to your player wandering the wastes; you might not wanna piss everyone off.

    The end of the game and the series of events leading up to the game would have an ACTUAL impact based on "choice", both felt in the game and during the ending slides.

    -If enough factions joined your cause, the player COULD participate in an important debate scene between NPCs where the leaders' egos and interests of each group causes a massive political struggle.
    -Diplomatic players can get the leaders to all agree to who benefits from what aspects of recapturing Project Purity, based on their contributions to the assault on the Memorial.
    -Players could just let them bicker amongst themselves and see how things turn out during the ending slides if you didn't politically intervene and the factions were left to decide on their own who wins in the end.
    -Your choices on how to recapture Project Purity, either by force or subterfuge or diplomacy, will determine how easy the final assault goes. The fewer allies at your back, the more fighting you have to do.
    -Which factions rise to power as a result of your interventions throughout the game determines the ending, whether the Capitol Wasteland prospers, stagnates, or falls apart. It's not just "FEV water vs purified water".

    Naturally, these ideas/changes couldn't really coincide with the OP's, as his timeline change merely rewinds the clock 34 years, rather than 150+, but our ideas don't HAVE to overlap. I just find it fun to take an assembly of bad ideas, but with some really good central concepts within, and find ways to make it better. It's a mental exercise I delight in undertaking, since many years ago (when game developers were smaller, garage band sized "companies") I aspired to be a game creator, and revisiting those aspirations by just creating solutions for a game's problems was always nice.
     
  8. Timbus95

    Timbus95 Banned

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    May 25, 2014
    I like those ideas SnavSlav, it would definitely flesh the game more out that way. But I only have one problem with it.

    It might just be me but I don't know about "the Memorial be captured over time" idea. However, I guess there could be some kind of "countdown" system for it like Fallout 1 had with the water chip so it could possibly work.

    In addition, what would happen to Rivet city? Nobody has mentioned them yet, would they stay as is or would changes happen there too?
     
  9. SnapSlav

    SnapSlav NMA's local DotA fanatic

    Jul 1, 2012
    That's what I said. It would be captured if enough time elapsed, just like the invasions in FO1 and a few time sensitive quests in FO2. I'm basically saying my ideas wouldn't ignore time elapsed, so players who absently wandered the wastes confusing a Fallout title for a hiking simulator would essentially miss most of the game. By the time they'd show up to the cities and start dealing with NPCs, they'd start telling the player about "did you hear what happened to such and such place?" and they'd wonder what the FUCK they had just missed. That's not to say you couldn't be present to see the takeover of Project Purity, but it wouldn't WAIT for you. You could trigger it if you rushed through the game, but if you fucked around for too long, the story would proceed without you.

    As for Rivet City... it falls under a bunch of aspects of the game that I'd simply forgotten all about. I thought it would be much cooler and make a helluva lot more sense because it would be closer in time to the dropping of the bombs, but as for what else Rivet City contributed to the game, it might have just been one of the factions to recruit. More than likely they'd be able to offer SOME manpower for the final battle, but they'd make rather unreasonable demands because of their proximity to the Memorial, so they'd contribute significant friction to the political chaos without the player's intervention, but they also wouldn't offer the most sizable boost to the coalition forces, either.

    I love some of the suggestions about Canterburry Commons, because I hated how tiny and inconsequential it was in the game, despite being the TRADING HUB. It would simply stand to reason that it would be a power player of some kind in the Capitol Wasteland, not just a place off in the distance with some kooks making a scene regularly.
     
  10. Timbus95

    Timbus95 Banned

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    May 25, 2014
    I too wish that Canterbury Commons was bigger. In my first playthrough of Fallout 3, I kept hearing about how Canterbury Commons was one of the biggest trading hubs around. I kinda pictured it as a bustling place with activity regarding the caravans. Instead I got a superhero showdown in a town about the size of an apartment complex. Pretty underwhelming so to say. It should of had more quests regarding the caravans rather than what Uncle Roe offers in the vanilla game. Also to be honest, as much as I enjoy Fallout 3, I do feel like the superhero thing did feel out of place in it all. Little Lamplight felt more normal in comparison to me oddly enough.

    Now Crimson Caravan in New Vegas was exactly what I pictured as a major trading hub for sure.
     
  11. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    The Fallout 3 that should have been, is basically WL2 in terms of gameplay and presentation. ~Technically, Bethesda could have done an amazing job on the visuals, and would have had the editing tools publicly available, and we could have had something rather [loosely] like this:



    *As for the actual situations/ quests/ dialog/ and writing... well that's probably another battle they would not want to pick... but at least in theory they had enough money to hire a couple of ringers to layout the main campaign and the effects of one choice over another ~throughout.
     
  12. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    I am not sure that the Fo1-Fo2 gameplay would fit well with XBox/PS4 gamepad.
    If they can't sell their main games on consoles, i am not sure they would go for it.
    Spin-off, on the other hand...
     
  13. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    It was disappointing that they did go for it. However... I don't see why FO1 gameplay [IE. Fallout series game play] would not work on any console platform ~considering that it's turn based and that timing [quick & accurate mouse movement] is not a condition of failure in this type of game. Fallout made great use of hotkeys, but there were none that were required to play. The entire game used the mouse, and while the stick could move the cursor, it could also be done so that the buttons were hotkeyed for specific menus, and that that in those menus, buttons allowed you to cycle through the fixed options (like the TAB key on Windows).
     
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  14. BigBoss

    BigBoss Your Local Scrub

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    Dec 24, 2012
    That's true. You can use your mouse for everything in Fallout 1/2. The keyboard just acts as a hotkey option for people who prefer to use the keyboard also. They had Red Alert 1 on the PlayStation 1, I don't see why Fallout 1 and 2 couldn't be on a console, or Van Buren.
     
  15. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    It is specifically because the original Fallout are mouse-based that i cannot imagine them being on console.
    How the gamepad could allow the same freedom of moving the cursor that allow the mouse.
    The only console i've seen trying to emulate the mouse was the Wii and it wasn't that great.
     
  16. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    But we can.

    The fact that the mouse need not deliver pixel perfect accuracy, means that effectively, it could be like clicking squares on a picture of a chessboard. Also the developer can anticipate usage and use a clever acceleration method to nudge the cursor towards where is should be. Pair that with the fact that the player cannot usually lose for not clicking somewhere fast enough.
     
  17. coldroll

    coldroll Fuck Bethesda

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    Jul 4, 2012
    I like this thread it basically shows that people on the internet, can write a better story than a multi million game company like Bethesda. Good work!
     
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  18. woo1108

    woo1108 Vault Senior Citizen

    Sep 27, 2012
    Put the bible away..
    Fallout isn't about story of messiah or bible.
     
  19. coldroll

    coldroll Fuck Bethesda

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    Jul 4, 2012
    It would've never sold gamers don't want turn based isometric games anymore, they want first person shooter exploration games. Also hating Fallout 3 just because it wasn't isometric makes no sense at all. Fallout 3 sucked because of it's poor combat system, terrible writing,bad story, and it's terrible engine that crashes and causes alot of bugs. The game also suffered from having a few good voice actors and alot of mediocre ones.
     
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  20. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    It is not a member of a big publisher marketing departement to decide what, as a player, i want.

    You can't say that what the players want the most is clone games.