The NMA Top 100 RPG's Discussion

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Or don't use a number for the list. Most list fix a number because they go from the bottom to top, aiming to create some kind of... hype? suspense? who will win?

We should just skip the number and go posting the best rpgs (by category), with no "best game" order.

Example below.

BEST JRPGS:

Final Fantasy 7
Chrono Trigger
Seiken Densetsu 2 (Secret of Mana)
Xenogears
etc (I'd post more, this is just example)


BEST ARPGS:

DIablo 2
Titan Quest
Mass Effect (arpg, imo)
etc


BEST WRPGS:

Fallout
Fallout 2
Baldur's Gate
etc


Opening poster could go grabbing names of games suggested in such small/medium lists as they are being posted, and organize a pool. If the pool limits are an issue, he could simply fix a timefrime for suggestion lists such as these, and go listing the suggested games with a number of times each game was suggested.

After, let's say, 15 days, he would close suggestion phase and make pools (by category) with the most suggested games (the number would be equal to the maximum option a pool can handle). Then the election of X best games (by category) would begin.
 
Great ideas. We don't want a specific sub-genre to dominate like the JRPG's did on IGN's list, so some kind of cutoff might be a good idea. Is 100 too much? I think our 100 list would be a sharp contrast to IGN's travesty personally. Kinda like, "We saw your list, it sucked, now here is ours..."
 
Makenshi said:
Will the list really mix wRPG, jRPG and aRPG? Oh well...
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Are there no JRPGs that remind you of WRPGs or the other way around? What if a game is both J & A, which side is it on? Having one list will probably reduce the confusion, and will give more of a feel of "Yes, these ARE the best RPGs of all time, no matter WHERE they came from."

Also, the problem with not having a numbered list is that you're going to see that bottom 25 mixed in with Wasteland, FF7, and Fallout. All those fourteen year-olds are going to search "BEST RPGS OF ALL TIME OMG" and land on your page, see Fallout next to Diablo and troll you till they're fifteen. Limiting the number to 50 or less will probably spare NMA some of the grief, and there can always be one of those snazzy "honorable mention" sections.

But you know . . .
 
You bring up some valid points. I think we should probably get the format and other specifics down first since everyone seems to have slightly differing ideas on how the list should be. I suppose we could have votes on important matters like this. That seems to be the best way of doing it, right?
 
person said:
Are there no JRPGs that remind you of WRPGs or the other way around?
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Not really, no. In fact, I think one would be hard-pressed to find games that'd belong in both camps. There are a handful, but they are very few. Besides, geographical origin as a distinguishing feature is non-negotiable...

I do agree that there's no reason to treat aRPGs separately, primarily because it will devolve the discussion about the list into the discussion of what is and isn't an aRPG. Like, where do you put Deus Ex games? They aren't action RPGs like Diablo or Titan Quest, nor are they classic RPGs. In fact, they're arguably not pure RPGs at all, yet they undoubtedly belong on this list.

So I suggest that we limit the list to all western games with significant RPG elements, and perhaps, if people want one, also make a secondary list on JRPG games, but treat it completely separately from from this one.
 
Best RPG's:
Fallout
The Witcher Enhanced Edition
The Witcher 2: Assassin's of Kings Enhanced Edition
Fallout: New Vegas (Incl. DLC)

(And these should probably be included but I haven't played them, YET)
Planescape: Torment
Deus Ex
Wasteland
Fallout 2
Arcanum

(I've not played these series either, probably at least one among each that is one of the best RPG's from what I know and have heard)
Baldur's Gate series
Icewind Dale series
Ultima series

Good RPG's:
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Mass Effect 1
The Elder Scrolls IV - Oblivion
Diablo II
Dragon Age: Origins

(Not played yet)
Morrowind
Knights of the old Republic
Knights of the old Republic II
Alpha Protocol

A list of bad rpgs too?
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
Mass Effect 3
Deus Ex 2
Fallout 3


If you don't think Diablo 2 has a good story you should immediately watch all cinematics in a row as punishment.
 
Mjolnir said:
(And these should probably be included but I haven't played them, YET)
Planescape: Torment
Deus Ex
Wasteland
Fallout 2
Arcanum
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WTF - I can't believe anyone wanting to post here hasn't played Fallout 2. Away with you sir...:roll:
 
.Pixote. said:
WTF - I can't believe anyone wanting to post here hasn't played Fallout 2. Away with you sir...:roll:
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Hey, he played FO1! Maybe he is an ultra-conservative NMAer who thinks that FO2 is the game that ruined the franchise :lol:
 
Here is my list of favorites by type

Best WRPGs

Fallout
New Vegas
Torment
Ultima 7
Fallout 2
Arcanum
Wasteland
KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Dragon Age: Origins
Alpha Protocol
Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate 2

Action RPG
Dark Souls
Demon Souls
Deus Ex
Mass Effect 2
Deus Ex: HR
Diablo, Diablo 2

Best Japanese RPG
SMT: Nocturne
Persona 2, 3, 4
Suikoden 1,2 (maybe 3)
Final Fantasy 6,7
Chrono Trigger

Best Japanse RPG/Strategy Hybrid
Fire Emblem 7
Final Fantasy Tactics
Ogre Battle
Fire Emblem 9,10
 
So far we have over 50 on the tentative list. Your feedback is mandatory. :wink:

Tell us how stupid the idea is if you like, but I would like to hear from some of the more reclusive members of this esteemed community.

*Summons Orderites*
 
TorontRayne said:
Great ideas. I do believe the games should maybe be arranged like Makenshi suggests. We don't want a specific sub-genre to dominate like the JRPG's did on IGN's list, so some kind of cutoff might be a good idea. Is 100 too much? I think our 100 list would be a sharp contrast to IGN's travesty personally. Kinda like, "We saw your list, it sucked, now here is ours..."

Also, each game on the list should have very detailed reasons for why they're on the list - No wikipedia copy paste crap basically. I think we should try to decide on the criteria and format first off, but I will start pooling the already mentioned titles. They will be up for debate, so let's try to give good reasons why they should or should not be on the list.
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You could make a facebook like pool where people add the name of the game and the people that follow after them and enter the same name count as a second vote.

That way your list is not too big and is democratically voted, then you cutoff the games with the least votes.

Not sure you can do that with this forum.
 
Token-not-found said:
TorontRayne said:
Great ideas. I do believe the games should maybe be arranged like Makenshi suggests. We don't want a specific sub-genre to dominate like the JRPG's did on IGN's list, so some kind of cutoff might be a good idea. Is 100 too much? I think our 100 list would be a sharp contrast to IGN's travesty personally. Kinda like, "We saw your list, it sucked, now here is ours..."

Also, each game on the list should have very detailed reasons for why they're on the list - No wikipedia copy paste crap basically. I think we should try to decide on the criteria and format first off, but I will start pooling the already mentioned titles. They will be up for debate, so let's try to give good reasons why they should or should not be on the list.
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You could make a facebook like pool where people add the name of the game and the people that follow after them and enter the same name count as a second vote.

That way your list is not too big and is democratically voted, then you cutoff the games with the least votes.

Not sure you can do that with this forum.
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Yeah, that would be nice. I don't use Facebook though. Wouldn't everyone have to register with Facebook to do that, or can that be done another way? That would be the best way to go about it.
 
plus you also have to consider there may NOT be 100 great RPGs.

especially when you are talking about like oblivion or fallout 3. but i consider those ARPGs not RPGs.

and you would have to include even "hack&slash" such as icewind dale, and the neverwinter nights.

how about categorized list by actual genre within the RPG fold.

Hardcore RPGs ( Ultimas, Fallouts, PST )
Action/Adventure RPGs ( morrowind )
Hack&Slash RPGs ( icewind dale )
Action RPG Lites ( diablos )
JRPGs ( final fantasy )

and then like 20 per category. i think that would make the list more digestable and easier to fill each category.
 
TheWesDude said:
plus you also have to consider there may NOT be 100 great RPGs.

especially when you are talking about like oblivion or fallout 3. but i consider those ARPGs not RPGs.

and you would have to include even "hack&slash" such as icewind dale, and the neverwinter nights.

how about categorized list by actual genre within the RPG fold.

Hardcore RPGs ( Ultimas, Fallouts, PST )
Action/Adventure RPGs ( morrowind )
Hack&Slash RPGs ( icewind dale )
Action RPG Lites ( diablos )
JRPGs ( final fantasy )

and then like 20 per category. i think that would make the list more digestable and easier to fill each category.
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I was also thinking of 20 per category. It would be easier to organize that way, and we could weed out a lot of sequels. Does anyone else think we should split it into two groups - JRPG and WRPG? That would be easier I think, and possibly make more sense. Who else thinks the list should be only 20 or 50 games total?


No Wizardry fans?
 
Why only might and magics 3-5? 6-8 were great games, and having put over 100 hours into them over the last few months, I must say they're addicting games.

And no Anachronox? Was that because people couldn't decide if it should be a jRPG or not? That's one of the funniest RPGs I've ever played and a great game.
 
SimpleMinded said:
Why only might and magics 3-5? 6-8 were great games, and having put over 100 hours into them over the last few months, I must say they're addicting games.

And no Anachronox? Was that because people couldn't decide if it should be a jRPG or not? That's one of the funniest RPGs I've ever played and a great game.
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If you believe they should be added, I will add them. Everything is still tentative at this point. Eventually it will all come down to a vote.


What about Bastion, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Wizardry 8, or Dungeon Siege?
 
@TheWesDude: I think that suggestion is impractical, because we'll have to argue to death which game fits which category. Where does BG1/2 fit? Same mechanics as IWD, but some people would consider it also similar to FO and PST. NWN2 OC is more of a h&s game, but MotB is more like a "hardcore RPG". We could, of course, spend much time on preliminary votes defining which games go to which category, but I don't think it'd be fair if one person decided that.

WRPG/JRPG separation is needed, though.

I think it does sound reasonable to lower the number a bit: 20 sounds good if we want a pool of games, and 50 if we produce a list with rankings based on votes.
 
Ausdoerrt said:
We could, of course, spend much time on preliminary votes defining which games go to which category, but I don't think it'd be fair if one person decided that.

WRPG/JRPG separation is needed, though.

I think it does sound reasonable to lower the number a bit: 20 sounds good if we want a pool of games, and 50 if we produce a list with rankings based on votes.
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I agree. There isn't really a big rush either so we could decide on the categories with preliminary voting as you said. One person should definitely not choose for everyone either, that's why everyone needs to make themselves heard, and we need to figure out a voting system. It wouldn't be a community effort if one person did it all, so everyone feel free to take the initiative if you like. I think we have enough people interested to make this project happen. Hopefully more people get involved to make this as complete as possible. 10 guys at NMA isn't exactly the entire community. :lol:
 
TorontRayne said:
Ausdoerrt said:
We could, of course, spend much time on preliminary votes defining which games go to which category, but I don't think it'd be fair if one person decided that.

WRPG/JRPG separation is needed, though.

I think it does sound reasonable to lower the number a bit: 20 sounds good if we want a pool of games, and 50 if we produce a list with rankings based on votes.
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I agree. There isn't really a big rush either so we could decide on the categories with preliminary voting as you said. One person should definitely not choose for everyone either, that's why everyone needs to make themselves heard, and we need to figure out a voting system. It wouldn't be a community effort if one person did it all, so everyone feel free to take the initiative if you like. I think we have enough people interested to make this project happen. Hopefully more people get involved to make this as complete as possible. 10 guys at NMA isn't exactly the entire community. :lol:
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Well what you want can be accomplished in two ways, one tedious , one not.

The tedious (but surefire) way: keep this thread active and bumped for some time (let's say 1 month or two weeks) - make a poll entry for each mention in it. Then make a separate thread and start the voting. After another 2 weeks you do the cutoff.

The second non-tedious way is to make a facebook-like poll if this forum is capable of it.

If the person does not find the name of the game he wants to vote for, he just introduces his own and the people after him can vote for that title he inserted if they wished

Also - nma being a more hardcore crowd and the forums gets little activity i doubt even the list will reach 100 so that's good news. (well kind of)

A mod please answer : can you add your own text to a poll?

Let's say you have this poll :

How many close friends do you have

a.1

b.2-5

c.6-10

d. social whore

Can a voter add his own "i hate people" item?

And after i do , can people vote it?

This would spare us alot of hassle.
 
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