V For Vendetta out this week!

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Montez, Mar 13, 2006.

  1. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    The Vault Dweller suggested I make a thread about this a few weeks ago, and since the movie is coming out this week I thought it was about time I got around to it.

    For those who don't know what it is, here is a brief (and badly written!) description from Wikipedia:


    Rotten Tomatoes: 77%

    Official website with trailers: http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/

    Same as with all comic book based movies, Moore's comics in particular, I'm pretty sceptical about this movie - they have a long trend of leaving out vital elements, adding goofy and uneccesary elements, and just generally missing the mark. Most people don't care really - it's just a comic book, right? But to me it just puts right in my face how shitty hollywood movies are, relying near completely on lowest-common-denominator appeal, hack writers, and marketing studies. V For Vendetta has gotten good reviews so far from alleged fans of the comic, and the trailers I've seen have given me some hope that this will be the first good adaption of Moore's work, but since precedent with this sort of movie has already been set I'm not too excited about it. I like the comic too much not to see it, but I'm not really expecting much.

    Beyond the appeal to us comic book geeks, it's going to be interesting to see the reaction from the world at large since it's basically about a terrorist blowing up buildings and assasinating officials in an attempt to bring down a government. Will people find justification in his acts since it is an oppressive fascist government he's taking down, and has parallels to the US/Great Britain's involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq? Will people just decry it because there is "terrorism" involved and ignore the issues of right and wrong? Will the press and politicians just ignore it completely since it's just a movie? Who knows.

    I also wonder if it's just a coincidence that it's being released on St. Patrick's Day. Probably is, but I'm willing to bet that more than a few Irish people will be cheering on the fall of England.
     
  2. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 6, 2004
    OH FUCK YES.

    Graphics novel is great. It's great in all-over. One of teh best.

    I'm so excited over this. I do hope they did not OVERDO it, but I already know better.
     
  3. The Vault Dweller

    The Vault Dweller always looking for water.

    Aug 24, 2004
    Thank you Montez. Who is "Guy Fawkes" though and why does the character wear a mask? Is it vitally important enough to not mention it for fear of spoiling the story?

    Sincerely,
    The Vault Dweller
     
  4. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    Guy Fawkes was a member of a group of Catholics that tried to assasinate King James I and parliment in 1605 - Catholics were persecuted under James and Fawkes' group wanted to get rid of the entire Protestant aristocracy; king, lords, politicians, etc. They planted 2.5 tons of gunpowder beneath parliment planning to set it off when everyone was under one roof, and since Fawkes had military experience he was in charge of planning and setting it off. Through the group's ineptitude (snitching on itself then going ahead with the plan anyway) he was caught alone on November 5 while checking on the gunpowder, and after being tortured for days gave up the names of a few of the co-consipirators, and together they were hung, drawn and quatered. After that England would celebrate November 5 as Guy Fawkes day and burn him in effigy.

    As to why V wears the mask, it's mainly because he is a modern-day Guy Fawkes and seeks to do the same thing except successfully, as well as him wanting to be seen as a symbol rather than as an individual person. Plus the mask is pretty creepy. It's hinted at in the book that V is ugly in a beautiful and fascinating way, but it's left to your imagination as to whether it happened naturally or unaturally. He doesn't wear the mask because he's ugly though - he's not haunted by low self-esteem or anything like that - it's just for symbolic purposes.
     
  5. Tannhauser

    Tannhauser Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Mar 18, 2004
    TVD, you have never heard of the Gunpowder Plot (or Guy Fawkes day)? Funny how Montez talks about it but still avoids the name.
     
  6. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    I knew I was forgetting something.

    "Remember, remember, the 5th of November
    Gunpowder, treason and plot;
    I know of no reason, why the gunpowder treason
    Should ever be forgot."

    I'd heard of it before I read the comic, but my only real interest in it comes through the comic. Well, that and the fact that I think it's pretty bizarre that they still burn him in effigy.
     
  7. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    Well, it has a great cast, save for Portman. I think it could be really good. I'm quite excited to see Stephen Fry killed by a cutlass through a door, at least.
     
  8. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    Good to see that there's at least one other person out there who thinks that. She was great in The Professional, but every performance I've seen since then has been pretty.... wooden? mediocre? off? I don't know what the best word is. She has screen presence, no denying that, but her acting is pretty bad. I'm starting to think that The Professional was the same, only since she was really young her acting got much more credit than it should have.

    John - do you think this movie is going to cause any controversy at all? (Assuming it turns out to be above a "B" movie level, of course)

    Edit: I should add since I didn't state it explicitly and some people might not know - the mask V wears is a Guy Fawkes mask.
     
  9. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    Could cause? Already is. Look at the Newsweek article.

    I kind of hope they take out the molestor priest short story. I thought that was probably the weakest part of the story, and not just because I am a fanatic. Kind of a cliche. Though V was religious in a really, really weird way.
     
  10. Tannhauser

    Tannhauser Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Mar 18, 2004
    Do you mean this article? Please, in the future, link to something if you want to discuss it. Having to glance over all the articles concerned primarily with Portman shaving her head is something that makes me wish for the death of all writers involved.

    And gone with the Worker and Parasite avatar so quickly? Ai.

    Montez, do you actually know people who insist that Portman has always been a good actress? Every conversation I can remember about her goes along the same lines you outlined: great in The Professional, lackluster since.

    I suppose it looks interesting enough to waste eight dollars on. Might even pick up the original, which I have yet to read.
     
  11. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 15, 2005
    Read it, loved it, will definetely watch it.
     
  12. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Wait, are we talking about this movie as if it might actually be any good?

    Have we all gone mad? This'll suck so many ways the whole world will be covered in a vacuum.

    A half-witted director-rooky directs the movie written by his two teachers, who haven't made a half-decent movie in quite a few years and have shown there one excellent movie to be a definite fluke.

    Not to mention Hugo Weaving is, contrary to popular belief, a terrible actor.

    Now maybe if Scarlett Johansson had been Evey. But no...
     
  13. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    In real life I know a few. In print reviews and wherever I go all over the internet though people seem to unanimously think she's the greatest. When "Garden State" and "Closer" came about all I seemed to read were good reviews of her, and my friends thought she was great too. Strangely enough I think she was actually good in The Phantom Menace, though maybe that's because everyone else was awful. Except McGregor, I guess.

    Kharn, you've pretty much said what I've been trying not to think. I'm trying to hold off forming an opinion until Friday, but "Constantine" and "League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen" keep coming to mind.
     
  14. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    No, she sucked in the Phantom Menace as well, as I discovered when I saw it for a second time. Really, she was good in Leon, but her acting in the Star Wars movies amounts to reading her lines.

    As for V, I have some hopes. There were some decent comic movies, although they were all standard hero-movies and not the darker and much more serious V.
     
  15. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    I'm surprised someone got it, though I guess in hindsight if anybody it would have to be you.

    I had it for a while by my standards. And I love this avatar, from one of my favorite books.
     
  16. The Vault Dweller

    The Vault Dweller always looking for water.

    Aug 24, 2004
    Only very vaguely and I never remembered the guy who did it.

    By the way John I recognized your avatar as well, but I figured everyone else did too.

    Also I'm gonna add this graphic novel to my birthday list since my birthday is coming up.

    Sincerely,
    The Vault Dweller
     
  17. keyser Soeze

    keyser Soeze Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 15, 2005
    saw the trailer last week when i was on another movie, seems to be a nice action with some drama elements.
     
  18. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 6, 2004
    Ok assholes, who's a good actor. I mean honestly, I don't think Portman or Weaving are great or some shit...but what I mean is, tho they are not great they are quite good on screen. Hugo, just has an aura.

    Now give me a few examples of well known, good actors. Then get another guy to bash them, following your reply....bah
     
  19. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    Kharn likes Scarlet J. a lot. I can't say I know why, I've never seen her give a fantastic performance. Peter O'Toole I think as well.
     
  20. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Bob Hoskins.

    Weaving has screen presence. So does Arnold Schwarzenegger. And Sylvester Stallone. Yet I would call none of them great, and Weaving is barely good.

    Weaving is just a character actor. In every single movie he plays in he is a mirror of whatever he was before. There is no significant difference in how he plays Smith or an Elf and considering how different the characters are that is pretty flawed.

    Diversity is the key to being great and even to being good. A total lack of diversity but sufficient screen presence means your carreer will be poor and most people recognise your acting for what it is, poor. Think John Wayne, Charles Bronson, Hugo Weaving, Keanu Reeves, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Morgan Freeman, Samual L Jackson. All plenty of screen presence, but all character actors, set to play only one thing.

    Opposite to them are diversified and great actors. Anthony Hopkins, Robert Deniro, Al Pacino, Toshirô Mifune, Oleg Menshikov, John Turturro. Unequalled in skill, but most important also in diversity.

    Apart from the fact that she is beautiful in a more unique way than most Hollywood types can aspire too, she is a very accomplished actor at her age. Shockingly so, in fact, the number of emotions she is capable of conveying without resorting to overacting shadow the performance of many of her contemporaries greatly her age.

    Also, diversity.

    See Lost in Translation, Ghost World and Girl with a Pearl Earring for reference. Hell, she was even good in Eight-Legged Freaks.