Warhammer on a Budget?

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by Hoplite, Jan 17, 2020.

  1. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    Hey, I wanted to get into Warhammer after reading about the Imperial Guard's standard issue steel balls, does anyone know where you could pick up minis online without plunging your entire family into debt and going on welfare?
     
  2. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    If you wanna play Imperial Guard, no.
     
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  4. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Fantastic video.


    @Hoplite IG is probably the most expensive army to collect and build, along with Orks and Tyranids. So no, there's no way to go cheap with that one.
     
  5. Chromevod

    Chromevod Nope.

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    May 25, 2011
    I've started to get into 40k in recent months myself, so maybe my advice is wrong and people who have been at it longer than me will correct me, so keep that in mind. But, I'll share what I did to get going without breaking the bank.

    So, if you don't have anything at all, no hobby tools whatsoever, this seems like an okay box to grab for $40. I did.
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Aos-Paints-tools-Eng-spa-port-latv-rom-2018
    A cutter, basic brush, mouldline remover, and some paints. The paint pots are small at first glance, but so are the minis so one pot will last quite a while.

    You'll also need glue, it's here for about $7.
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Plastic-Glue-2016-Global
    It's liquid, and one bottle should last

    You want to have primer for your models for the following layers of paint, let's say black. You can get a can of black here for $17.
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Spray-Chaos-Black-Global-2019

    Do not go and buy the entire army list all at once. Since you're wanting to run IG, I'd say grab these for $10.
    https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Imperial-Guard-Cadians-5-models-2017

    Let's say you want different paints from what are bundled with the AoS box, a pot of paint will be around $5, so let's say $15 for three extra pots of paint for the colors you want.

    All in all, you'll have your first squad and the bare minimum of tools you need to assemble and paint them. You're looking at $89 before tax for this stuff. Is it dirt cheap? No, and buying directly from GW is undoubtedly more expensive than if you go scouring around looking for better deals. But a lot of what I've listed here will last you for a very long time indeed if you take care of it. If you take your time, and only buy new models after you've finished assembling and painting the ones you already have you will have a slow stream of models coming in to work on that is definitely affordable.
     

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  6. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    All of those hobby supplement things can be covered by way cheaper products that can be found in regular art and hardware stores.

    Nice work on the Skitarii tho.
     
  7. Chromevod

    Chromevod Nope.

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    May 25, 2011
    Oh, no doubt! That's why I mentioned buying directly from GW is probably not the best option if money is the primary limiter. I just wanted to show it's not an incredibly horrendous price point to get started even if you do. I'm more limited by the amount of time I have than money. I'm not rich by any means, but I budget in such a fashion that I have some disposable income. I just think the initial... tool gathering part is what will put you out more than anything at the start. After you have the tools you need, if one doesn't go crazy it's relatively cheap to just buy models slowly and steadily. To not buy more models until the ones you already have are fully ready to go, or will be in the near future.

    Thanks! I bought the Start Collecting box for Admech, those are the first two models I'd ever worked on. I've only gotten to the fourth Skitarii since then, but that should be finished over the weekend. As I mentioned, I'm limited far more in my time available. I have a 2000pt list that I've decided to work towards. I tried said list in TTS against a couple people and while it's not going to win any tournaments, it's fun and has some nice surprises to punch with.
     

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  8. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    True, tools, paints and primers are a greater expense than models in the beginning, with primers being the single most annoying thing in this hobby.
    But yeah, slow and steady is the way to go. Still, I'm yet to meet a person who hasn't fallen under the "more unpainted than painted models" spell. No matter how many models you have left to paint, at some point you just buy another (at the time unnecessary) box.
    I mean, I have two unfinished armies, and have just bought the starting box for the third one...

    For the first models, you're pretty damn good. Your camera doesn't really do the models justice, though, but they're looking great. I like the blue color as opposed to the standard red or orange (though to be fair, if I was painting Admech I'd go for red Mars pattern, but I love your color nonetheless).

    We have a WH40k thread down in The Order, feel free to post your works there. The thread is kinda dead since nobody posts aside from me and I've no real interest of solo spamming, so I'd appreciate some new blood.
    What's your list? I'm not much in the gaming department, and I've played like 5 games in the last year.
     
  9. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
    Miniatures:

    Ebay and Craigslist. Amazon has pretty good deals, too, but they're usually sold at MSRP.

    I don't recommend re-casters because you never know what you're going to get in terms of quality, and they hurt brick and mortar FLGS just as much as they hurt GW. But, if you're on a tight budget that's probably where you'll get the most bang for your buck.

    Dakkadakka and https://www.reddit.com/r/Miniswap/ are a good place to keep daily tabs on for good deals.

    Hobby and general assembly (my expertise):

    Get a cheap diamond file set (amazon). Get nice, sharp wirecutters or sprue cutters (Tamiya or GodHand) - don't skimp out on these. Get a sharp hobby knife as well. You'll be using the file set to get rid of mould lines

    Get plastic glue (Model Master's Liquid Cement). This stuff slaps. It has a higher drying time than super glue, but you don't have to worry about gluing your fingers to your dick by accident or anything. It rubs right off your fingers. Apply a bead to your model, press the two pieces together, hold for a few seconds, and set it aside to dry for at least 15 minutes.

    If you're interested in the hobby side you can stretch your currency by avoiding most GW hobby accessories and paints. This isn't to say that GW produces terrible paints (they are actually really good quality), but Vallejo and Reaper are cheaper. Instar paints are a newcomer to the game and, according to members on dakkadakka, they have color-matched some of GW's paints at a fraction of the price (and they offer different sized bottles - that's a big +++++).

    Army-painter paints are alright - they have the best shade consistency but some of their paints are chunky and need serious thinning down. I feel like the flow-aid to paint consistency on army-painter is like 10 drops for 1 drop. It varies greatly.

    Whatever you do - DO NOT PURCHASE GW BRUSHES. I've seen a lot of people say they use natural sable-hair. They do not. The tips will curl and the hair will split over basic use. I have Windsor and Newton No.7 Brushes from 3 years ago that still maintain a tip from generous use. Pro-tip: store your brushes upside down - i.e. tip down with the brush protector on.

    W&N brushes are the Bugattis of paintbrushes, though. Just pick up some craft store brushes for cheap until you understand basic brush control and paint consistency.


    You can pick up primers at a hardware store and work with that (Kyrlon and Rustoleum are brands I've seen people use). I recommend Krylon. Depending on your color-scheme you should be using the correct primer undercoat for it. Dark color scheme? Black primer. Mid-tone (grey, brown)? Gray primer. White? White primer. The undercoat greatly effects the topcoat tone.
     
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  10. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    Well that's informative. I'll check out r/miniswap now
     
  11. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    BigGuyCIA's post is more than informative, but I wanna point out something that I wish someone told me when I was getting into this hobby. Chromevod mentioned it, but I wanna elaborate a bit more.
    Anyway, the basic idea is this:

    Start. Small.
    And inform yourself before buying.

    Basically, don't rush and buy a huge 150 euro box just because it has "Starter Set" or something written on it. That is a major investment of both money, time and willpower. It can be very arduous and overwhelming seeing this pile of plastic which has suddenly appeared in your house, which requires assembly and painting. Don't get me wrong, starter sets are usually pretty great and, believe it or not, affordable for the amount of stuff you're getting despite their price, but they can easily overwhelm a newbie and simply burn you out.
    Feeling like you're Sisyphus instead of enjoying your hobby is not good. And it happens very often.

    Buying a smaller one unit box is a lot safer bet. 5 Cadian models which Chrome suggested is a good start, or some models off of eBay. It's a common unit which you're bound to field if you end up building your army and playing, it's affordable and is good for learning and practicing - even if you screw it up, it's no biggie, those are easy to replace.
    (That being said, I personally recommend starting by buying a new box of models. Not because buying from eBay is bad or anything, but because unpacking and sifting through that first box is always special, something you're going to remember for years to come.)
    I'm not going to go into details about priming, assembling, painting etc. because some of that has already been covered, and the other part of it is something to worry about once you get actual models.

    As far as informing yourself before buying goes, it pretty much means you'll want to browse GW's website and make a rough estimate of how much all of this is going to cost down the line. Some armies, namely horde armies (Imperial Guard, Orks, Tyranids), are very expensive simply because they require a lot of models to field properly. On top of it all, painting those models can be quite time consuming.
    I'm not saying this in order to turn you away from Imperial Guard (I love that army, even though some of the infantry models are in a dire need of an update), I just want to make sure you understand that, even if you're getting your models from eBay, trading and what not, this is still going to cost. There's just no way around it. And some stuff is more expensive than the other.

    But, if you're smart, patient and go through the whole thing step by step, it won't hurt. Investing 20-50 bucks several times during the year as you're slowly building up your army is far more affordable and far more rewarding than dropping 300 bucks in an instant for dozens upon dozens of yet-to-be-assembled plastic models which you'll feel like you're never going to finish painting.

    So yeah, start small and learn steadily, step by step. You're going to learn a lot that way, most importantly whether this hobby is for you or not. If it's not, you'll be glad you've spent a small amount of cash. And if it is for you, well, nobody's stopping you from spending a lot more down the road.
    But for now, don't rush.



    @BigGuyCIA

    Is that Primaris your work?
     
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  12. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
    Yawp. One of my veteran intercessors I've been painting over a period of a year now.
     
  13. Hoplite

    Hoplite Worth 1/5th of 100 grams of tea

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    Oct 4, 2019
    Okay, is a mixed unit army of Leman Russ and basic infantry going to end up being a horde?
     
  14. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
    IG are basically a horde army so yeah. The guy who won LVO 2019 had so much infantry his opponent's Eldar flying circus couldn't kill him.
     
  15. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Fantastic work. I'm going to shamelessly steal your scarring coloring for my own intercessor.
    What Chapter is that? Homebrew? Also, post more pics.
     
  16. Chromevod

    Chromevod Nope.

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    May 25, 2011
    I've heard that's a pitfall, I'm going to try very hard to avoid it. For now, I'm contenting myself sticking to AdMech and working my way up to a full army there.
    If I may ask, what armies are they?

    Thanks! I try to take my time, one thing I'm realizing is I've chosen a very detail-heavy army, but I've come to enjoy the painting process already so I think I'll enjoy that just fine. As for colors, I wanted to do something a bit more customized rather than just go with the basic color schemes. Not that I have anything against the Mars colors! I just wanted to put the effort in and make something that's more reflective of my tastes in case I ever do get the chance to play with them.

    Alright, I'll start posting there! It will be nice to have a place to talk about this stuff, and I've gone ahead and posted my army list there rather than dump it into this thread.
     
  17. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Building up one army until about playable 2000pts is what I consider the best course of action. From that point on you can start getting more stuff for your army to have larger amount of options if you want to go full WYSIWYG, or start building a new army. Or both, really.

    I have a Death Guard army, around 1100pts, and a Primaris Space Marines army, around 1400pts. I'm working on the latter currently, and I hope to finish it by the end of 2020.
    In the meantime, I also have around 1000pts of unassembled CSM, which I will most likely paint as Black Legion. I want that sweet Abaddon model.

    Detail-heavy armies are kind of daunting in the beginning, but a great way to increase your skill fairly quickly.
    I personally love custom painting schemes. My own Marines are a homebrew Chapter, and I generally like seeing people do their own thing.

    Which blue and gold paint are you using?
     
  18. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
  19. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Alpharius oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Oh, thanks a lot for the tutorial. It's perfect.

    And I really love your take on Dark Angels. I have always preferred their original colors as opposed to the green scheme. Excited for that new character model they're getting?
     
  20. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

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    Oct 26, 2016
    Oh yeah he looks great. It's perfect too since my guys are all 5th company and he's the current Master of that company.