What would make Fallout 4 a really good game??

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by nburton10, Jul 7, 2011.

  1. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite

    Jul 26, 2003
    I don't ever see the core franchise going international... Fallout's canon provides for an entire post-nuclear world, but the setting, the heart of it, is America. Americana and American perceptions of the atomic age very much drive the series' themes and aesthetics, and a lot of us agree that taking things to the East Coast, or even just the midwest (with Tactics), was a misstep.

    That said, a series of spinoffs could prove quite interesting. Fallout: Wasted Lands, or something along those lines. I'd propose Canada and Australia as two great places to start. Australia has all the potential to be a harsher, more self-contained version of the American wastes, with bigger, badder critters, even harsher environs, a more strongly emphasized survivalist element, and a healthy dose of Mad Max.

    Canada... Canada is such a no-brainer it's almost cheating. There's enough of a military presence due to the annexation and enough shared geopolitical issues with the U.S. that you'd get to keep a lot of the more beloved/familiar plot elements, and it's the overland supply line/support corridor between the lower 48 and the Alaskan front. The major military tech that crops up in other American settings wouldn't be present here in such concentrations, though, as taking Canada wasn't much of a challenge and the materials were in demand elsewhere. I think it'd have a generally more run-down feeling, more of a wooded frontier. Sort of like if The Den and Modoc were stretched over an entire continent.
     
  2. Knight Captain Guido

    Knight Captain Guido First time out of the vault

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    Jul 21, 2011
    New locations

    i have to say i like the ideas being bounced around here i agree a lot with Sabirah in the sense that fallout is very versatile in that it could be applied to a lot of places altho where it falls down is certain countries just wouldn't be suitable, i also happen to agree that part of fallout's charm for me comes from the style and american themes but that doesn't mean for me that it has to be exclusively american and i like the idea of possibly the UK being a possible future location as its where alistair tenpenny came from and on "the vault wiki" it says its meant to be harsher there i also like the idea of a european country possibly eastern and really like the russian idea too
     
  3. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010
    Re: New locations

    J.E. Sawyer said he would like to make a game with about a company of the Britsh Army Royal Armoured Corps fighting their way through europe to the english channel.
    Also The UK might be a good idea and has been discussed before, but only if obsidian were to do it. Beth would just take 50s british culture and shove it in your face, just like they did with 50s america and fallout 3.
     
  4. Black Feather

    Black Feather Mildly Dipped

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    Nov 10, 2010
    2D.
     
  5. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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  6. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 10, 2011
    2.5D IN 3D!
     
  7. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    That's so stupid.

    2.5D engine, iso 3rd person, precise and exact SPECIAL system, with a new slew of perks, traits etc. Massive world environment (it would be 'boss' if it were 2x larger than Fallout 2), and the writing on par with NV.

    But because this will never happen I'll just kill myself now.
     
  8. Sabirah

    Sabirah Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    It as a joke. And they say us Arabs are humorless 8-)
     
  9. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Afro-Asiatics aren't humorless, their humor is just incredibly droll.
     
  10. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011
    Even the first two Fallout's weren't 2D. They were still 3D, just from an isometric perspective rather than from a first person perspective.
     
  11. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    I don't think game developers consider that 3-dimensional. For that the models must have 3 dimensions (ie. fully rendered models with texture overlay) at all times. The world/terrain and objects likewise must also feature this.

    My problem is that 3D isometric games usually lack detail because the models are too small and scaling complex models down to add more detail leads to a program that needs massive resources to utilize. 2.5D (like Lexx's engine) and Blitzkrieg would be an excellent experience, this proven already by Lexx's Fallout MMO.
     
  12. Courier

    Courier Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 10, 2011


    Length, width, and depth. Count 'em.
     
  13. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 29, 2011
    Oh, I understand your argument. I still do not see the fully 3 dimensional rendered models and terrain, though. I guess your criteria for what 3D is and what the gaming industry considers a 3D game is at odds with one another. With your logic Blitzkrieg and Jagged Alliance are full-fledged, 3 dimensional games.
     
  14. Felspawn

    Felspawn It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Nov 15, 2010
    Isometric sequel will never happen, not in a million years. get over it
     
  15. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    You can into the future?

    That is what would make Fallout 4 a really good game. Get over it.
     
  16. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    But there is no real depth dimension. It looks three dimensional, but the maps contain no actual height information.
    It really is a twodimensional isometric projection.
    As far as I know, the FOnline engine is a true 3D engine, but FOnline:2238 uses the assets from Fallout, so most of it is still 2D.
     
  17. Ynnead

    Ynnead First time out of the vault

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    Jul 21, 2011
    I don't think the Fallout series is going to go back to the Fallout 1 and 2 camera, and frankly I think doing so would be a major step back. also it's never going to be set outside US, maybe Canada. It's always been about culture memes from 50s United States, other countries where vastly different in the 50s.

    I think Chicago would be a good setting for Fallout 4, It's already got elements established like the somewhat reformed Enclave Outpost.
     
  18. Horus9k

    Horus9k It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    How is it a step back? Did 3D make it a 'step forward'? If so then Fallout: BOS indicates a major 'step forward' for the franchise.
     
  19. White Knight

    White Knight Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Aug 28, 2010

    Its already been said that the man who had the message stored in ED-E didn't know that Navarro had been destroyed. So its most likely that that outpost has been deserted as the enclave moved to the east coast, or has a very small remnant force.
     
  20. Gaspard

    Gaspard Kasparov

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    May 7, 2009
    More text - less actual graphical detail. FO/FO2 are pseudo-text-based with the smart descriptions of characters and environs.

    Super-duper naturalistic-realistic detail does not replace good textual descriptions - but hey I'm way old-school probably. If I want graphics I pick up other Bethesda games - or better yet - something that's not Bethesda !

    Less goofy factions - what the HELL is Caesar's Legion ? And Enclave too - this crazy state-wide military operation. FO3 has this huge BOS operation going too - why ? FO1 BOS was nice and local, the gangs (Vipers, Khans etc) were of a normal post apocalypse size, in FO2 BOS was physically non-existent. Yes some of the cities could have had more content, but they felt nice.

    So instead of expanding into awesomeness - IMPLODE INTO AWESOMENESS !