Why can't you actually JOIN a group (Legion, NCR, etc)?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by Lanius, Oct 31, 2010.

  1. Lanius

    Lanius Monster of the East

    Oct 31, 2010
    Hi, I'ts my first post. The question was propably already asked.

    Why can't you actually join any group? Yes, you get a high rep with a group, you can wear their clothes, but you are never really a part of them, even in the end fight.

    Why can't I be a Legionnaire Recruit, do some basic training, officially get their clothes and a Machete for a start, and after many quests and fighting, be a legit Decanus or even Centurion in the end fight?

    Same goes for NCR. Start as a official Recruit at Camp McCarren or so, and in the end be a Colonel.

    Or the Rangers. First join the NCR, and when you are good enough you are officially invited to join the Rangers.

    Even when you are idolized by the Legion, or NCR, or the Rangers, wear their armor and fight and win for them, YOU ARE NEVER REALLY A PART OF THEM. You are always this semi-independent traveler who just happens to fight for one side, without actually belonging to them.

    Why is that? I want to be a legit, accepted and feared Centurion for heaven's sake! :)
  2. Falloutsurvivor

    Falloutsurvivor First time out of the vault

    Feb 9, 2010
  3. Lanius

    Lanius Monster of the East

    Oct 31, 2010
    And this was part of the Fallout Universe before. You could actually be part of the BoS in Fallout 1. After the "The Glow" quest, you joined them, they gave you a BoS armor and you trained with them. So you were actually part of them.

    Why can't I officially join any group in NV? That's really sad... :(
  4. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    You can join the Follower of the Apocalypse, The Brotherhood of Steel and the Kings. From every one of these, you will get special clothes.
  5. Lanius

    Lanius Monster of the East

    Oct 31, 2010
    Yes, I know. But you can't get higher in their hierarchy. You don't start as a recruit at the BoS. And it is not an essential part of the main quest really.

    I want to join the main groups. I want to join the NCR, Rangers and Legion. Starting low, as a normal recruit, and in the end being a high ranking member.
  6. Zeronet

    Zeronet It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Apr 26, 2003
    Well in theory as far as speculation goes, as a BoS Paladin, you could stick around and try to move up the ranks. Of course, you can't do this in the game.
  7. Lanius

    Lanius Monster of the East

    Oct 31, 2010
    By the way, I love NV, I really love it. This thread isn't even meant as a critic. It may seem so, but it isn't. It's more a wish of some sort: "Why can't I join the NCR or the Legion?". Would be so cool... :)

    I would so love to be an offical Centurion.
  8. Kallisti

    Kallisti First time out of the vault

    Apr 9, 2010
    There should at the very least be an option to ask and be told why you can't join. Though in the Legion's case I have a suspicion that Caesar intends to make me a slave later.
  9. Relentless666

    Relentless666 It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Dec 23, 2008
    Maybe they left this feature for the DLC? I doubt it, but it is possible.
  10. Lanius

    Lanius Monster of the East

    Oct 31, 2010
    BUMP after 2 1/2 years, lol. Still relevant.

    I hope Bethesda at least implements this in Fallout 4.
  11. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 25, 2011
    No, it shouldn't be.
    Joining a faction and getting to higher rank would be proces for YEARS, and well, all FNV and other Fallout games happens for only 1 year or so.
    Don't even mentioning that player character isn't guy for normal "tasks" like clean that, or guard that thing etc.
  12. Lexx

    Lexx Background Radiant
    Moderator Modder

    Apr 24, 2005
    Exactly. Just remember how Bethesda did faction joining & progressing in Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind... You do a few tasks and BAM master of the guild... wat...
  13. Sub-Human

    Sub-Human -

    May 31, 2011
    The Courier has his own quest. He's a mercenary, helps out a faction and they aid him. Joining would mean years of patrolling and guarding, and having to be on duty at all times.
  14. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Not in Morrowind. You had to work through quite a lot of quests and you could not progress unless you met certain requirements. You couldn't just become Guildmaster without being, for example, a strong mage.
  15. Alesia

    Alesia It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Mar 3, 2013
    Also in cases like the NCR, alot of the reason they are using the courier is because they are a free agent. The courier gets all the tasks they want off the books or otherwise not scrutinized by the government and high ranking officials.

    In the case of the Legion

  16. Languorous_Maiar

    Languorous_Maiar A Smooth-Skin

    Oct 25, 2011
    What? I remember that I played once as warrior, and became guildmaster for every guild...
  17. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Sure you can... But having Intelligence and Willpower at 35 and one magic skill at 90 and two others at 35 is not exactly usual for a (pure) warrior. It's not like in Oblivion or Skyrim where you can become Archmage without putting any points into magic.
  18. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Mojave Express Employee of the Month

    Mar 16, 2013
    It makes sense.

    Becoming a general in the NCR would take many years, and canon wise the events of New Vegas take place within one year, same thing with the Legion, it would take many years and blood soaked battles to become a Decanus or Frumentarii, besides being a freelance is better, you are allowed to explore and wander freely, whereas if you were a NCR soldier or Legion Warrior, you would have to patrol and serve, you don't see your average grunt running around the wastes performing high stakes tasks, now do you? no, you see them standing around and occasionally going out on patrol, all due to the military stalemate. The people who operate within their factions AND going around the wasteland are always high ranking soldiers, like a ranger or a frumentarii and as I said earlier, it takes a long time to reach those positions. We don't want this to become like Skyrim now do we? where we can join a group and within the same day become its leader.

    Besides, you can join the Kings, Brotherhood of Steel and the Followers of the Apocalypse.

    Personally I like it the way it is, the whole freelance angle suits a video game protagonist.
  19. Scribe Kortum

    Scribe Kortum First time out of the vault

    Jun 20, 2013
    Take whatever rank you are given basically. I know in some cases you can have [NCR] dialogue as if you're a member like with Cass, I feel that's good enough for me to be an honorary member for now. Sure, BoS isn't a main story faction other than getting rid of them in their bunker in FONV but in FO3, they are and you do get promoted with the Broken Steel DLC.
    With FONV, it felt great returning the Enclave members together again and fighting by your side; made me geek out immensely to have the Boomers, NCR, BoS, and the Enclave on my side as I keep the Dam from harm's way.
    In Skyrim, they look at it as the feats you have completed instead of the level of skill in the required fields which in a way, that makes sense but all in a day? Maybe IRL in a day but in game it takes days, weeks, or months to complete the many quests (first couple of times when you're not aware of where everything is and how to beat it the easier/quicker way).

    No, I don't want Fallout to become like Skyrim for good reason, they're completely different realms, it's what confuses me as to why people would want to MOD Fallout weapons, armor, etc. into Skyrim as some players already do.
  20. Felspawn

    Felspawn It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Nov 15, 2010
    yeah no thanks. one of the things i always disliked about TES is the idea that you join a guild and within a few quests you are running the place. I prefer the way New Vegas handled it