Hello all, This topic came up when I was chatting with someone on discord. The person I was talking too was a musician who had made music for a PA themed mod. He mentioned during the chat that he never had played any of the Fallout games. After the joke 'Blasphemy' reaction, I responded that he should probably play the first two games. Or the remake by Lexx and others of Fallout 1, and Fallout 2 with the patch that adds all missing content. But I also mentioned in the response that at some point it is no longer necessary to know the Fallout franchise as it has become irrelevant. That rather made me think, are we now in the period that the Fallout franchise is becoming irrelevant because of how Bethesda is handling the franchise? (yes, I do think it is because of Bethesda's mishandling that the franchise has become a terrible mess of bad lore, concepts, and so on) I am not saying that it is likely that the franchise will be put on hold soon, or that the community will suddenly forget about it. I am sure it will continue on for quite some time as it makes money. And we see how Bethesda is expanding into other markets like that RPG board game, and the upcoming streaming series. But I do think that the 'meaning' for a lack of better word, what it was about and what it had done for the RPG genre, not to mention the world it build is gone as it is milked out by Bethesda's terrible writers and designers, and eagerly consumed by people who want a quick new generic average product as their previous interest has lost its flavor. For the lack of a better description I would compare it to a Disney product like say the Star Wars franchise, even if Fallout does not have such a broad appeal. Now Star Wars was indeed about making money, but there was some genuine creative force and soul behind it, a desire to relive the old sci fi matinee serials and excite people with a fantastic adventure in another galaxy. Now all Star Wars does is imitate from its past. I can't say the old EU was always that great, but back then especially at the beginning there was a lot of world building and bringing in new concepts and ideas. Fallout has basically become the BOS power hour in which players put on power armor to fight against super mutants, Ghouls, raiders who outnumber the regular population. And has become a power fantasy with meaningless and badly written storylines, characters, and places. At the moment Fallout still has a lot of impact on other PA themed games as a lot of gamers still remember the classic entries. But I think designers, writers, and gamers should move away from it, just like the zombie apocalypse genre has also become a tiresome thing.